Religion

cbayer

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18. Colored pastels and buttermilk?

Sat Jan 4, 2014, 02:56 PM

Jan 2014

I can't even imagine, lol.

Like you, I find religion fascinating as well, although I am not a theist.

I see the good and bad and grew up seeing how important religious organizations and people were in social justice, civil liberties and anti-war movements.

We all get were we are on different paths.

Really nice talking with you.

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Evangelicals Find Themselves in the Midst of a Calvinist Revival [View all] cbayer Jan 2014 OP

Moral detachment in the form of religion Zambero Jan 2014 #1

I tend to think she would be part of the prosperity gospel movement... cbayer Jan 2014 #3

ugh! nt grasswire Jan 2014 #2

My parents have become Calvinist. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #4

I don't know much about this, but the way I read it is that cbayer Jan 2014 #5

Yes, people are chosen before they're even born. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #6

So they know if they've been chosen, but do they know who else has been chosen cbayer Jan 2014 #7

Instead of people achieving their salvation through faith and good works, LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #10

It seems very inside-out to me. cbayer Jan 2014 #11

Predestination means enlightenment Jan 2014 #8

So, even if you are chosen, you still might go to hell? cbayer Jan 2014 #9

Technically, no. enlightenment Jan 2014 #12

Wow, I had no idea that this whole convoluted thing was out there. cbayer Jan 2014 #13

Appreciate the kind words, thank you. :) enlightenment Jan 2014 #16

Colored pastels and buttermilk? cbayer Jan 2014 #18

Picture an eager young enlightenment Jan 2014 #19

OMG, that's hilarious. cbayer Jan 2014 #20

At the very least, that technique should come enlightenment Jan 2014 #21

That sounds a lot like you're saying they are wrong. eomer Jan 2014 #26

Uh, oh! Should I tread carefully? Am I about to be step in the trap, lol? cbayer Jan 2014 #27

That is great, actually. eomer Jan 2014 #30

Nevrr really got into Calvinism. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #14

That does not surprise me, justin. cbayer Jan 2014 #15

I am not into the hell and damnation thing. I believe in a loving God. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #17

Interesting stuff. I've never known much of anything at all about Calvinists. pinto Jan 2014 #22

Terrible. The Calvinist cult is NOT Christianity. Dawson Leery Jan 2014 #23

Why not edhopper Jan 2014 #24

Sure it is. -nt Bradical79 Jan 2014 #52

Is Calvinism proto-atheistic? Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #25

Here is how we were taught predestination: riqster Jan 2014 #28

Problem: some Calvinism says nothing WE do can save us; its only the (random) help from God Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #31

Yes, there are varying sub-sects and variations. riqster Jan 2014 #41

This seems wholly illogical. cbayer Jan 2014 #32

It's a level of perception and a question of abilities. riqster Jan 2014 #34

I often thought I knew what my kids would do, but they sometimes surprised me. cbayer Jan 2014 #36

It depends on a literal interpretation riqster Jan 2014 #37

So, even though god knows what a person is going to do, the person themselves cbayer Jan 2014 #38

Well, the guidance is already there. riqster Jan 2014 #39

That's closer to Arminius than Calvin. Leontius Jan 2014 #50

Unless you ordered their lives so it would happen, created the life where it would happen, etc. Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #44

It depends on how active one thinks God is. riqster Jan 2014 #45

Unless ... Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #46

Except that throughout history, we see countless people that are forced to lie in the beds... trotsky Jan 2014 #47

That is the crux of the Active God question. riqster Jan 2014 #48

Unless God created everything as we are told; including the devil himself. And evil itself. Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #49

But we can choose whether or not to be evil. riqster Jan 2014 #51

Can we? Does conventional theology really hold up? Can we be blamed by God for evil? Is it OUR fault Brettongarcia Jan 2014 #53

So? trotsky Jan 2014 #43

That sounds like my Presby friends okasha Jan 2014 #33

It is a very complex theology that seems simple at the surface. And google snippets are surface. riqster Jan 2014 #35

Just a deeper hole within the world of delusional nonsense on point Jan 2014 #29

Without our choice to seek and accept salvation it has no meaning. Leontius Jan 2014 #40

Marilynne Robinson has written at least a couple of essays on Calvin. Jim__ Jan 2014 #42