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Warren Stupidity

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47. the "literalists" have a hermeneutic analytic framework

Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:38 PM

Mar 2015

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that is widely misunderstood to be the claim that the bible is word for word the infallible exact utterances of god. There are likely many evangelical and fundamentalist believers who think that is what their sect preaches as well, but if you go look at what their theologians actually say, it isn't. They think they are finding the hidden meanings within the text, that the texts contain the divine words, just not in plain text.

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Faith Based Medicine is Snake Oil [View all] cbayer Mar 2015 OP

There is also the placebo effect still_one Mar 2015 #1

meaning what? Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #3

Meaning that if someone is given a sugar pill, they sometimes still_one Mar 2015 #4

Not sure how that ties in here. cbayer Mar 2015 #5

Good point, not the same as faith healing for sure still_one Mar 2015 #6

OTOH, I think you raise an interesting idea. cbayer Mar 2015 #7

Can you get any more irresponsible? phil89 Mar 2015 #9

Lol. Do you honestly think I am making the case for faith based medicine cbayer Mar 2015 #10

Read her last paragraph. okasha Mar 2015 #19

I threw that in there as an aside. There is no way the OP was recommending it, especially for a still_one Mar 2015 #22

Perhaps it may trigger an immune response, however, the OP's point is pretty clear, that kids die still_one Mar 2015 #16

I think there is an often overlooked psychosomatic component to many illnesses. cbayer Mar 2015 #17

of course not. I should not have brought it into this thread, because it could be interpreted the still_one Mar 2015 #25

the flipside wih faith based which makes it more dangerous Lordquinton Mar 2015 #61

I agree with you. I think faith based medicine that is used in place cbayer Mar 2015 #62

Well, the placebo effect does not cure disease. longship Mar 2015 #11

Lying is forbidden, but placebos can be used. cbayer Mar 2015 #12

The evidence that placebos out preform no treatment edhopper Mar 2015 #13

Agree, but there are all kinds of effects that are subjective. cbayer Mar 2015 #14

No edhopper Mar 2015 #24

Where did I say there was a cure for the common cold? cbayer Mar 2015 #26

That's what I thought you where saying edhopper Mar 2015 #28

Of course not, but there are rare case where remissions have occurred when conventional treatments still_one Mar 2015 #27

Yup, you are correct. longship Mar 2015 #31

No legitimate doctor would. You are right on that. still_one Mar 2015 #38

I've actually had to point out to relations on facebook... gcomeau Mar 2015 #20

Sure, if religion were evidence based and rational Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #2

Is religion at odds with science, or people's interpretation of religion. A person can have faith, still_one Mar 2015 #29

What is the difference? Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #32

There are religious people who do not take the bible literally, and those that do, and I guess that still_one Mar 2015 #36

Nobody takes the bible "literally". Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #39

Not sure if I agree. I have come across those who sure do still_one Mar 2015 #40

They may think they do... trotsky Mar 2015 #45

They were pretty adamant, and "believed whatever the word of God said" still_one Mar 2015 #51

It has been my experience edhopper Mar 2015 #42

the "literalists" have a hermeneutic analytic framework Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #47

That is true edhopper Mar 2015 #50

You don't have any proof that it is. trotsky Mar 2015 #8

Of course, you never do that, do you? longship Mar 2015 #15

You bet I did. trotsky Mar 2015 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author longship Mar 2015 #21

No, just abject hypocrisy. longship Mar 2015 #23

Yes, you need to speak to your friend about these things, I agree. trotsky Mar 2015 #30

I tend not to make personal attacks. longship Mar 2015 #33

LOL trotsky Mar 2015 #35

I do hold them. longship Mar 2015 #37

You address your friends, then I'll do what you order. trotsky Mar 2015 #41

Order? Man, I don't know what to say to that. longship Mar 2015 #43

Bye, longship. trotsky Mar 2015 #44

I offered a choice, which you rejected. longship Mar 2015 #46

Oh, for fuck's sake. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2015 #64

The thing about ignore is that it is not commutative. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #48

I understand that, Warren. longship Mar 2015 #49

It wasn't out of left field. It was solidly grounded in the ongoing dialog here. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #52

So what if she does that? longship Mar 2015 #53

The "stalking and bullying" is in your head. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #54

It is when the post is a personal attack and person is on ignore. longship Mar 2015 #55

it was not a non-sequitur, it was not a personal attack, it was directly relevant. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #56

As I posted earlier, knowing he was on ignore, why the personal attack? longship Mar 2015 #57

He has no idea what the state of cbayer's ignore list is, nor do you. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #58

Why would anybody support personal attacks on this forum? longship Mar 2015 #59

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Thank you, Mr. Blur, for making my point perfectly. longship Mar 2015 #63

I went down to the crossroads, fell down on my knees Jim__ Mar 2015 #34