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In reply to the discussion: Up to Speed: Who Is Muhammad Cartoon Contest Organizer Pamela Geller? [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)209. What you think the intent was doesn't matter.
Last edited Tue May 5, 2015, 07:04 AM - Edit history (1)
Even if you think I wanted to be attacked that doesn't mean I wasn't a victim.
No one deserves to be violently attacked for provoking another.
Not even if that person deliberately set out to provoke them.
The intent doesn't matter.
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Of course. No larger conclusion can be drawn from this incident.Nothing else to see here.Move along.
GoneFishin
May 2015
#2
One who believes there should be no abridgement of speech anywhere for any reason
whathehell
May 2015
#119
Do you believe Gellar had no right to hold a contest for cartoons of Mohammed?
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#131
I don't believe people should be shot because they pissed off the wrong people.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#136
So people who get shot at are only victims if you sympathize with them.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#149
They are "victims" if they are hurt/killed -- Idiot Gellar took a chance and KNEW she was doing so.
whathehell
May 2015
#151
So they have to be physically harmed and/or murdered to be the victim of an attack.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#152
Do you consider those killed while willingly playing Russian Roulette "victims"?
whathehell
May 2015
#153
Nope, not interested in discussing why you think muslims are like loaded guns.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#162
Are you comparing muslims to a mindless random chance at a empty or full chamber in a gun?
AtheistCrusader
May 2015
#163
She's effective. When someone like her can get people on the left to cheer for her,
cbayer
May 2015
#6
No doubt that she is laughing her ass off at everyone who she fooled with the "free speech" ruse.
GoneFishin
May 2015
#10
Why would I explain either of those things when I agree with neither of your two assertions?
GoneFishin
May 2015
#15
I made no such assertion. I assert that she would not have the least interest in such drawings, and
GoneFishin
May 2015
#25
There are many posts and threads right now championing her 1st amendment rights.
cbayer
May 2015
#76
If "championing her 1st amendment rights" is "cheering" then I'm guilty too.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#82
Championing someone's 1st amendment rights is not 'cheering' or 'celebrating' those people
muriel_volestrangler
May 2015
#126
I've been reading a lot of the threads on this, and haven't seen anyone cheering for the organizers
muriel_volestrangler
May 2015
#132
I've read several threads by cali, and they don't reply to anything anyone has written
muriel_volestrangler
May 2015
#141
You know, I hate to indulge this kind of "find me a actual post, I will wait" bullshit, but this one
cbayer
May 2015
#210
Many lawyers who worked at the ACLU actually left it because of that decision
whathehell
May 2015
#135
I am totally for people's right to express their opinions and totally against people being shot for
Warren Stupidity
May 2015
#103
"It's possible to defend people who want to draw pictures and still condemn this hate monger"
trotsky
May 2015
#34
That is a dishonest and digusting smear, and you should be ashamed of yourself.
trotsky
May 2015
#27
Just like I'm not a victim if I'm raped "because" I wore a short skirt?
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#74
I was the victim of a violent attack because I "provoked" a man by wearing a short skirt.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#125
And if you had been marching with the Klan and been shot at you'd still be a victim.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#138
Tell me. If you were in the Weimar Repblic in 1931, what wold you do abot the Brown Shirts?
rug
May 2015
#140
People who are shot at *even if they're using hate speech* are still victims of a violent crime.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#150
I don't imagine it's easy to prove that hate speech is an incitement to violence.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#166
But you're still insisting she's not the victim of a violent attack?
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#201
"she asked for it" in a different context is obvious victim blaming. nt.
Warren Stupidity
May 2015
#220
Thank you, Dorian Gray, even CAIR supported Geller's right to hold that contest:
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#271
But your free, non-hate speech, while admirable, also 'led' to a hateful, dangerous, violent action
muriel_volestrangler
May 2015
#143
You had every right to participate in that rally free from harm or threat of harm.
AtheistCrusader
May 2015
#158
Analyzing hate speech through a lens of victimhood leads to very distorted conclusions.
rug
May 2015
#164
Walking down the street minding your own business is not the same as orchestrating a hatefest.
AlbertCat
May 2015
#235
I know the precise legal meaning of provoke and incite. "Short skirt" ain't in it.
rug
May 2015
#156
No, I'm comparing criminals who attack others because they're "provoked".
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#113
I'm responding to cbayer's victim blaming "She orchestrated this entire event. She is not a victim."
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#123
Neither cbayer nor anyone else is arguing Geller o ranyone else deserves to be shot.
rug
May 2015
#124
In #144, to which you were replying, whathehell said they felt more sorry for the terrorists
muriel_volestrangler
May 2015
#234
I guess you could interpret that as defense, but that's not what she actually said.
cbayer
May 2015
#236
Ridding the world of any group that you are ideologically opposed to is the same thing.
cbayer
May 2015
#238
You are so full of shit, AlbertCat never said they wanted to get rid of religious people.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#240
It would be exactly the same thing as Pam Geller wanting to rid the world of muslims.
AlbertCat
May 2015
#243
Reasonable people were able to condemn both the gunmen and Geller, and that's a rational position
AlbertCat
May 2015
#244
She is as bad, imo, just in a different way. Evil is evil. Are you defending her?
cbayer
May 2015
#249
Ok. I was just playing on your accusation of defense earlier in the sub-thread.
cbayer
May 2015
#253
Just because the victim is an unpleasant person with vile speech doesn't make it ok to attack her
AtheistCrusader
May 2015
#52
This isn't about civil rights. This is about Ms. Geller's war on american muslims
cbayer
May 2015
#63
She is the asshole fundie that pissed off the even bigger asshole fundies that ended up dead
snooper2
May 2015
#19
I've only heard one view of the attack/cause but it sounds like an attack on
AtheistCrusader
May 2015
#21
I'm sure we'll be told by certain parties, just how much is too much on the
AtheistCrusader
May 2015
#23
I find life is too short to go through it worrying if my skirt is too short.
AtheistCrusader
May 2015
#38
"Pretty much anyone can be incited to violence if pushed far enough"
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#89
You are not aware of acts of violence perpetrated by any religious groups but muslims?
cbayer
May 2015
#92
Using your "premise" the cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo were inciting violence too.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#88
I am the Satan Incarnate of all trolls. There is no one more satany or incarnate or trolly than I.
cbayer
May 2015
#186
I try to stay out of trouble, but it seems trouble always comes looking for me.
cbayer
May 2015
#190
I feel nothing but contempt for Ms. Geller, but that doesn't mean I think she should
cbayer
May 2015
#94
I wish she'd make up her mind, either she's cheering for Gellar or not.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#111
cbayer: "I agree with you about Ms. Geller and would like to see her stopped."
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#272
There is NOTHING in Yorktown's post indicating support of Geller or "her agenda."
trotsky
May 2015
#268
Well she said that "championing her 1st amendment rights" is "cheering" Geller.
beam me up scottie
May 2015
#273