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OllieLotte

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270. It's a polite way of ignoring the silly notion that Romney had notes.

Sat Oct 6, 2012, 08:25 AM

Oct 2012

I like sports and unfortunately never competed at a level that I would have liked to. I have learned how to win and how to lose. I respect people when they...or their sports team...are soundly beaten and can admit to it. No crying about field conditions, weather or the refs. Suck it up, admit you were beaten and try to do better next time. Having to listen to people blaming the loss on notes or Denver's altitude is embarrassing.

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Did Romney bring cheat notes into the debate? [View all] cleduc Oct 2012 OP

Ha ha ha . . . looks like he did! fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #1

He checked out who was looking Life Long Dem Oct 2012 #227

You're right! He brought a cheat sheet! bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #2

He brought his bird hunting gun for sure Coyotl Oct 2012 #217

Either some notes, or that handkerchief he mopped his face with later. MgtPA Oct 2012 #3

How far in is the face wipe? KurtNYC Oct 2012 #189

It's pretty far in, towards the end of the debate I think. MgtPA Oct 2012 #190

He definitely slipped something out of his pocket C_U_L8R Oct 2012 #4

precisely! the rules are for everyone else, not them. pnwest Oct 2012 #6

sociopaths also roll the same way underthematrix Oct 2012 #106

OMG, he did pull out paper from his pocket! What a sleazeball. nt valerief Oct 2012 #5

Wow you got it! He was cheating. Brought his crib sheet and dropped it on the podium. MatthewStLouis Oct 2012 #7

30 seconds after shaking hands with the President of the United States... hexola Oct 2012 #8

This rwork Oct 2012 #9

He took something out of his pocket and put it on the dais. nt MADem Oct 2012 #10

Watched it several times. Jennicut Oct 2012 #11

ohoh - well that can't be good. Certainly not fair unless POTUS also had a cheat sheet. nc4bo Oct 2012 #12

MSNBC just highlighted that it was a hankie - made a joke about keeping the powder dry or nc4bo Oct 2012 #15

maybe a hankie or maybe cheat notes in a hankie. Take a look 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #22

Oh yes - I completely missed the end. Honestly, I wouldn't put ANYTHING past Romney nc4bo Oct 2012 #27

Excellent catch! bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #29

At 1:32:39 he goes back to the podium to get his cheat sheet bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #32

Oh dear! Now why would he pick those papers up, POTUS did not at least not that I noticed. nc4bo Oct 2012 #34

And....he first tries to put them in his suit jacket pocket. hamsterjill Oct 2012 #58

It makes sense......**attempting to remain objective** nc4bo Oct 2012 #110

Well, if he spent the debate writing ugly things about the President, he wouldn't want to leave gkhouston Oct 2012 #62

If that were the case, I'm sure it wasn't a simple "DRAT" "DANG" or "dingleberry" scribbled on there nc4bo Oct 2012 #64

not good explanation at all 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #65

Damn it. nc4bo Oct 2012 #66

lol 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #70

If mittnocchio was grinning underthematrix Oct 2012 #108

Please watch the video if you want to make public your opinion of the video TheDonkey Oct 2012 #156

If you'll finish reading the thread, I'll think you'll realize that I watched it hours ago gkhouston Oct 2012 #159

I looked at the CSPAN link, and there does not seem to be any question that was folded paper Samantha Oct 2012 #236

Wow. I just watched that full screen. polly7 Oct 2012 #243

I find myself wondering why he went back to the podium so quickly. gkhouston Oct 2012 #244

I think the President was too quick over to shake his hand and Romney couldn't get the cheat notes polly7 Oct 2012 #247

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #277

This has absolutely not a single thing to do with Obama. polly7 Oct 2012 #278

He is hiding a paper within another paper. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #38

Mitt-ster Roboto alvitar Oct 2012 #180

The look on his face Why Syzygy Oct 2012 #237

not only that, we need to watch the entire thing 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #33

I hope this isn't stupid... DearHeart Oct 2012 #295

Crease in pants ESDU Oct 2012 #303

well, when one side is creased and the other isn't... DearHeart Oct 2012 #305

My guess is that MSNBC had an initial "safe" reaction bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #53

If he did cheat, it wouldn't be the 1st time... from 2008: MgtPA Oct 2012 #13

Wow. Why would they let him get away with that? polly7 Oct 2012 #77

Mittens wouldn't need cheat sheets, Amimnoch Oct 2012 #14

There must be some high res photos out there - probably better fodder for speculation. hexola Oct 2012 #16

Iphone? hexola Oct 2012 #17

Decent photo here hexola Oct 2012 #18

Doesn't look like any hankie I've ever seen - wish there was an overhead view! nm nc4bo Oct 2012 #23

we need to source the hankie! hexola Oct 2012 #24

enlarge that pic. There is much writing on it. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #30

Here ya go hexola Oct 2012 #35

yeah, see it is already folded. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #39

Yes. There are creases both lengthwise and widthwise that were obviously there before. bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #43

Not sure but that may be typing on that too. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #44

Here's the thing with that photo above. cleduc Oct 2012 #91

The behavior at the end of the debate is more suspicious than that still. gkhouston Oct 2012 #96

Yes, and did you see the look the son who took them gave to his brother? polly7 Oct 2012 #99

Yep. Once Ann saw mitt had the notes in his hand she couldn't stop looking at it bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #184

to me it looks like a small notebook to the right of the paper Maine-ah Oct 2012 #103

I reported the question about this to the Obama Truth team cleduc Oct 2012 #19

I hope you also pointed out his hiding it at the end. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #40

It looked like paper...not fabric. SoapBox Oct 2012 #20

He went back and got the notes after the final JohnnyBoots Oct 2012 #21

Footage of him going back to get it would be great to see! bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #25

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4006759 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #45

Amazing! Alot of folding and fussing of a mere notebook. What a cheater. MatthewStLouis Oct 2012 #47

So, clearly he has no inner lapel pockets. hexola Oct 2012 #52

not a hanky. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #54

I was looking really hard for that hankie Faux pas Oct 2012 #204

This is beyond suspicious tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #51

Man, that's really fucked up. That's definite evidence he had something to hide. joshcryer Oct 2012 #122

He hands it to son and says "Hide This"...check the audio newuser9 Oct 2012 #186

Your ears are better than mine. All I heard was background noise. TalkingDog Oct 2012 #196

Also, when Mitt walks over with the papers... CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #221

Ann's response mwblueyarn Oct 2012 #248

Shouldn't this be pointed out? (We should email the Obama camp) anneboleyn Oct 2012 #74

it appears that all of the media has done it's most excellent job 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #297

Read my post #22 There is more. n/t 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #26

Check out this "Memorandum of Understanding" from Bush-Kerry 04 debate...very specific. hexola Oct 2012 #28

More from 2004 rules - very specific about what goes on the podium and who puts it there hexola Oct 2012 #31

There must be a list of rules somewhere for this debate. nc4bo Oct 2012 #113

How many men keep their handerchiefs in their PANTS pockets? hamsterjill Oct 2012 #36

That's true. and how many men keep notes in their pants pocket instead of in their coat pocket. bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #42

When they've got a suit jacket available? None I know. gkhouston Oct 2012 #63

I always keep a hanky in my pants pocket. louis-t Oct 2012 #202

My husband always kept his handkerchief in his pants pocket, but NOT in a front pocket! Petrushka Oct 2012 #260

Romney's Typed Notes pacopete Oct 2012 #37

thank you, and welcome to DU! renate Oct 2012 #114

Obama needs to be equipped with a signal jammer for future debates tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #41

See Reply 14 above. I suspect much the same thing. Amimnoch Oct 2012 #55

And make it echo back Politicalboi Oct 2012 #87

If Obama brought a signal jammer, GoddessOfGuinness Oct 2012 #95

Here's my question. Why would a multi-millionaire worry about leaving a used handkerchief behind? we can do it Oct 2012 #46

P.O.E. Precious bodily fluids and all that. TalkingDog Oct 2012 #195

DNA would reveal he is a lizard alien? Digit Oct 2012 #250

Spam deleted by Behind the Aegis (MIR Team) verdin2 Oct 2012 #48

Rather off topic MgtPA Oct 2012 #49

k&r 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #50

This should be cross posted to GD. stranger81 Oct 2012 #56

Go ahead and cross post it for us. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #73

Only if tinfoil hats are being passed out! whistler162 Oct 2012 #299

Made a clip of the end of the debate using C-SPAN's cool clip maker. nc4bo Oct 2012 #57

Well done! bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #60

Do you have a program that can save the clip? I do not and wouldn't nc4bo Oct 2012 #61

I don't know how to make clips and edit video bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #67

Whoa! lillypaddle Oct 2012 #59

There was one point early on where I was sure he had the Bush earpiece KamaAina Oct 2012 #68

looks like he tosses a folded piece of paper on the lecturn between 9 to 10 seconds into the tape. Bill USA Oct 2012 #69

Lying, cheating sack of shit. I hope this is reviewed by debate rules-keepers. mnhtnbb Oct 2012 #71

Pic of podium cheat sheets bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #72

KKKKKKKKKKKKRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!! NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #85

There's definitely a piece of folded paper there, imo. polly7 Oct 2012 #88

agreed bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #94

*whistles* Hutzpa Oct 2012 #198

that nebenaube Oct 2012 #242

Yes! And then he unfolded it. n/t Tx4obama Oct 2012 #75

K&R for later! arcane1 Oct 2012 #76

Yes, I saw it! ananda Oct 2012 #78

Yes, no doubt, elleng Oct 2012 #79

clearly reaches in at the 9 second mark. no mistaking it. NRaleighLiberal Oct 2012 #80

it was a hankie, he used it to wipe his upper lip before closing statements Hamlette Oct 2012 #81

It can NOT be a hankie. Because he UNFOLDS the paper. And the hanky he used later was folded. Tx4obama Oct 2012 #84

hahhaha....no reason for that Dan Oct 2012 #82

He pulled what looked to be a stack of index cards wrapped with a rubber band out of his pocket. MrSlayer Oct 2012 #83

It was a handkerchief trayfoot Oct 2012 #86

watch the beginning and the end of the vids 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #93

+1. Particularly watch the end. It's hard to tell how stiff the white object is before the debate, gkhouston Oct 2012 #97

why couldn't he get a hankie back in is pocket? And hand it to his son? weird. nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #104

That's one stiff handkerchief SamHarris2012 Oct 2012 #118

Where did the hanky go? And if it was with the papers why glinda Oct 2012 #206

That kind of cheating doesn't help much BainsBane Oct 2012 #89

The larger point here is that Romney cheated bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #100

It's not even about how much cheat sheets would help him. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #105

Oh, he's a lying sac of Fox excrement BainsBane Oct 2012 #123

Actually it's well know and no secret that they practice for hours and days on the debates lunatica Oct 2012 #181

EXCUSES? For what? Th1onein Oct 2012 #254

Put your energy into turning out the vote. BainsBane Oct 2012 #255

I will put my energy where I see fit, not where YOU see fit. Th1onein Oct 2012 #256

Okay, don't BainsBane Oct 2012 #257

Listen closely: You do not determine for everyone, or ANYONE else, how they help Th1onein Oct 2012 #259

This has nothing to do with Obama's performance 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #298

Is there a CSPAN video ohheckyeah Oct 2012 #90

What's to stop him from hiding notes in the hanky Sedona Oct 2012 #92

kick. HuckleB Oct 2012 #98

Lie , cheat, and steal... AzDar Oct 2012 #101

he was super sneaky about it too trailmonkee Oct 2012 #102

OMG tavalon Oct 2012 #107

that man makes me sick! southern_belle Oct 2012 #109

It was a package containing Sarah Palin's hand. Kablooie Oct 2012 #111

Thread win! n/t gkhouston Oct 2012 #121

Needs to go viral folks Generic Other Oct 2012 #112

I'd love to see a set of rules for the candidates... nc4bo Oct 2012 #115

Apparently, the rules are confidential. The 2004 MOU (Rules) was leaked and is online. hexola Oct 2012 #128

Under the 2004 rules, even the hanky would be a breech. hexola Oct 2012 #129

Thank you for the explanation hexola!! nc4bo Oct 2012 #132

hmm. in the small version, it sure does look like index cards or a densely folded bunch of notes renate Oct 2012 #116

That's one stiff handkerchief SamHarris2012 Oct 2012 #117

Playing devils advocate animalcrackers Oct 2012 #119

That would explain the behavior at his end jberryhill Oct 2012 #172

That would be convenient as is to hand off the evidence. glinda Oct 2012 #211

Has anyone sent this to Rachel? sunflowerseed Oct 2012 #120

I did this afternoon MgtPA Oct 2012 #125

Thank you for doing that! We People Oct 2012 #165

It can never be proven, or to be more accurate the media will not try to prove it. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #124

Yes, he did slyly pull out a paper from his right pocket and slyly place it on the podium. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #126

One problem - it looks like the entire right half of the audience could see this clearly. hexola Oct 2012 #127

I disagree, after having seen the slo-mo version. Romney doesn't dig into his pocket until he's up gkhouston Oct 2012 #166

Exactly. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #240

After reading this post, I must say that I am inordinately proud to be part of this place. byronius Oct 2012 #130

A Cheater Exposed in 8 Frames litbrit Oct 2012 #131

Whoa! blue neen Oct 2012 #133

How do I upload a photo? litbrit Oct 2012 #138

Try this.........link. nc4bo Oct 2012 #139

I can't click to enlarge either. SamHarris2012 Oct 2012 #136

Take it from a sneak but Romney looked sneaky as heck... SamHarris2012 Oct 2012 #134

Multiple passes, slow motion vid capture. What say you DU? nc4bo Oct 2012 #135

Best evidence yet! SamHarris2012 Oct 2012 #137

Errr, anyone having problems watching this? animalcrackers Oct 2012 #145

That flopped down like a piece of folded paper, not a hanky. gkhouston Oct 2012 #153

Exactly. proud2BlibKansan Oct 2012 #276

this video nails the cheat to the wall! Cracklin Charlie Oct 2012 #162

this is great 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #177

Sorry 2p2p, not my video......was trolling Google links and lucked out! nc4bo Oct 2012 #187

Check 1:19 Richard D Oct 2012 #213

This message was self-deleted by its author litbrit Oct 2012 #140

Mitt the Cheat, in 8 Frames (3rd attempt, hope this works!) litbrit Oct 2012 #141

Looking at all your series of stills then check out the photo upthread and see the paper w/something nc4bo Oct 2012 #142

Definitely something folded. Why is his Podium so full of stuff? glinda Oct 2012 #208

Great job! Rhiannon12866 Oct 2012 #143

Yes yes - forgive my rudeness!!! Jumping in under Rhiannon to say Welcome nc4bo Oct 2012 #144

Amazing. blue neen Oct 2012 #146

My pleasure litbrit Oct 2012 #147

Get the word out! TroyD Oct 2012 #169

The last screen shot bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #183

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #148

No one here is lying MgtPA Oct 2012 #151

Handkerchief is a big word. Good for you! Indpndnt Oct 2012 #160

LOL JTFrog Oct 2012 #193

Daily Kos has picked up on this too MgtPA Oct 2012 #149

Thanks, MgtPA Cha Oct 2012 #164

Okay, when Cheater-Gate hits the mainstream, what excuses can we expect to see on Letterman? SEMOVoter Oct 2012 #150

LOL! gkhouston Oct 2012 #155

Thank you! Glad to read everyone's comments. SEMOVoter Oct 2012 #158

Omg. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #163

Bravo! nt TheDonkey Oct 2012 #167

Excellent. aquart Oct 2012 #231

LOL, good point SEMOVoter Oct 2012 #246

Looks like the paper/notecard-stack has rings litbrit Oct 2012 #152

This makes me sick to my stomach. He threw a "cheat sheet" on the podium with shit eating grin TheDonkey Oct 2012 #154

Doesn't it seem like he goes to his other pocket once behind the podium? hexola Oct 2012 #157

Why are we not surprised?? We People Oct 2012 #161

I think it's his hanky--for his flop sweat. nt tblue37 Oct 2012 #168

Here's pics of mitt #1 through #8 doing something at the podium.. Cha Oct 2012 #170

I sent my feed back with links Tinksrival Oct 2012 #171

an electronic device jrr3005 Oct 2012 #173

Immediately after the debate, Romney fumbles with the papers on his podium before stepping out... ArkilokusJames Oct 2012 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author ArkilokusJames Oct 2012 #175

Here's a clip ArkilokusJames Oct 2012 #175

can we isolate any ot those pics? 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #178

Look at his hand gestures. What is he bundling up? glinda Oct 2012 #210

some pics of romney leaving lecturn then going back bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #280

In 2 pics it looks like HEAVILY TYPEWRITTEN PAGES -- I didn't see that before. Waiting For Everyman Oct 2012 #294

He did look down and refer to his notes!!! ESDU Oct 2012 #304

I thought he did look down as if reading pretty frequently 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #308

In the pics where he retrieves his papers 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #309

This guy is not just a serial liar..... FrenchieCat Oct 2012 #179

ask him (& the son) directly what he took out of his pocket before and handed to his son after n/t Sunlei Oct 2012 #182

The question is if hanky marlakay Oct 2012 #281

Romney cheat notes zoomed in a slow mo! ben8jam Oct 2012 #185

is that his left hand moving to open the hanky after his right hand throws it on the lectern? Native Oct 2012 #188

Or is he getting something out of that pocket? hexola Oct 2012 #201

That has a funny "middle" bounce to the object. glinda Oct 2012 #212

You can hear something bouncing a2Dem Oct 2012 #233

Moderator Jim Leher needs to make a public statement about this Berlum Oct 2012 #191

Good - it's beginning to hit M$M. Now they can ask Romney what it was he was doing before and nc4bo Oct 2012 #192

Whoa! Texin Oct 2012 #194

The Romney campaign says it was a handkerchief upanddowny Oct 2012 #197

I bet they do and of course they would. nc4bo Oct 2012 #199

Of course they do. Look at this vid where he retrieves it. Awfully stiff for a hanky. uppityperson Oct 2012 #200

And he had his son take it and hide it in his pocket at the end? Indpndnt Oct 2012 #203

Once you become uber-rich it's important to maintain the illusion... gkhouston Oct 2012 #224

It's now on the Opinion Page of the dallas morning News w8liftinglady Oct 2012 #205

It's also here - chicago cbslocal bushisanidiot Oct 2012 #223

32,360 thread views..... Old and In the Way Oct 2012 #207

I love DU NightOwwl Oct 2012 #209

A hankie madmax Oct 2012 #214

CAUTION: This thread is being propped by first posters Coyotl Oct 2012 #215

I'm wondering the same thing too... CoffeeCat Oct 2012 #222

Don't let this be the backlash trick that makes Mitt's lies fade into obscurity. Coyotl Oct 2012 #226

yes we should all sit in fear of the republicans and what they think of us 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #300

Critical reasoning is a cerebral function Coyotl Oct 2012 #302

well, they have sure been blowing it out their ass for years. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #306

I signed up last night... SamHarris2012 Oct 2012 #225

I started the thread while on the phone with my sister cleduc Oct 2012 #232

My mom just told me...that Ann Romney had a pre-debate interview politicaljack78 Oct 2012 #216

I have not re-listened to it ye but below is the link cleduc Oct 2012 #235

Can someone with a stronger stomach listen to this for the ones of us who get nauseous? Digit Oct 2012 #251

I love my mom, but that was a wild goose chase politicaljack78 Oct 2012 #253

thank you so much. n/t politicaljack78 Oct 2012 #252

Bullet Points of what transpired. ESDU Oct 2012 #293

Not shocking that a liar would also cheat to win. Paddy Ryan Oct 2012 #218

Welcome to DU n/t madmax Oct 2012 #220

kick and Rec...twitter: #hankygate dogindia Oct 2012 #219

Let him try to explain this one Life Long Dem Oct 2012 #228

here he spends 5-6 seconds riverwalker Oct 2012 #229

In fairness, I think he was putting his watch back on cleduc Oct 2012 #239

That would make a lot more sense. I've seen countless people take their watches off when gkhouston Oct 2012 #245

Listen - you can hear a2Dem Oct 2012 #230

hmmm quite a thud for a hanky riverwalker Oct 2012 #234

Has msnbc covered this yet? polichick Oct 2012 #238

the daily beast on BeastTV has both clips both the begin and at end of debate dogindia Oct 2012 #241

he probably had both notes and hankie to cover MFM008 Oct 2012 #249

All these pieces need to be neatly presented together marciasw Oct 2012 #258

Rachel Maddow show called it.......meh nc4bo Oct 2012 #261

Unfortunately Rachel took a cheap shot because she wanted cover... polichick Oct 2012 #264

Are you kidding me? OllieLotte Oct 2012 #262

Breaking the rules = cheating = fail. Romney flunked out. allrevvedup Oct 2012 #263

The OP doesn't conflate the two - interesting that you do. polichick Oct 2012 #265

LMAO - this is the newest RW response to the cheat. Can't address it so they deflect. nc4bo Oct 2012 #267

Even Rachel took that tack last night... polichick Oct 2012 #269

I expect the MSM will, at the very most, report that there is speculation about "the hanky" gkhouston Oct 2012 #283

Come on..let's drop it! helpisontheway Oct 2012 #266

For the 5000th time, O's debate performance has absolutely NOTHING to do with this. nc4bo Oct 2012 #268

It's a polite way of ignoring the silly notion that Romney had notes. OllieLotte Oct 2012 #270

Nevertheless, if you cheat, you lose the medals. allrevvedup Oct 2012 #271

You also choose to ignore what this is about. We are questioning Romney's character or lack of it. nc4bo Oct 2012 #272

You're missing the point completely. This issue has nothing to do with winning... polichick Oct 2012 #274

It shows that he is sneaky Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2012 #279

we watched as bush cheated and nothing was done 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #296

I see the two being connected by people who don't want us to speculate about the "hanky". gkhouston Oct 2012 #282

I do not beleive he was trying to be secretive with the hanky toss - and why a toss? hexola Oct 2012 #273

Not openly, but it was sly. Nonchalant in a studied way. allrevvedup Oct 2012 #275

Rachel Maddow covered this and said it was a handkerchief which she showed him using. Not to jenmito Oct 2012 #284

So what's to stop Romney from doing it again, with similar results? allrevvedup Oct 2012 #285

This is not whining about Obama's performance at the debate marciasw Oct 2012 #286

I don't think he did it in the first place. They both had papers that they wrote on. jenmito Oct 2012 #287

Okay. But he did something. allrevvedup Oct 2012 #288

I disagree. jenmito Oct 2012 #289

I understand. I watched it on C-SPAN allrevvedup Oct 2012 #291

Well... jenmito Oct 2012 #292

A better word might be "gaming." allrevvedup Oct 2012 #301

First time I've seen this particular close-up view of the hankie that really wasn't just a hankie. nc4bo Oct 2012 #290

Romney's ideas deserve to have snot blown all over them. n/t GallopingGhost Oct 2012 #307