2016 Postmortem

longship

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72. Maybe not you, but many here.

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:42 PM

Mar 2016

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BTW, would you be one of the many Hillary supporters here claiming that Bernie should fold his campaign, or that he cannot win? Before a rather vast number of Democrats have even voted in a primary? I would call that pre-crowned by fucking definition.

If you haven't argue that, than I won't say that you did. It's just a lot of other Hillary supporters here are saying it. And then they complain about Bernie supporters who say they won't support Hillary. Apparently it is her turn!

I call that unbridled hubris. It is a disgusting way to run a campaign.

I do not like Hillary Clinton very much. She was a rather poor candidate in 2008, and is not much of a better one this year, if at all. She has horrible negatives with independents, those who Democrats rather depend on to help get elected at the national level. Plus, there's the fact that I disagree with her positions on a whole lot of major issues.

Damn! I will vote for her in November. But I am just not sure that she can win against any Republican candidate. When one positions oneself with little political difference from the opposition, don't be too surprised when the opposition beats you. (PoliSci 101)

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Sorry, but how is this strategy not the reviled "subverting the will of voters"? [View all] swag Mar 2016 OP

And? NWCorona Mar 2016 #1

Once again Camp Clinton fabricates a false narrative - here's what Bernie actually said kristopher Mar 2016 #25

^THIS^ SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #26

Oh don't confuse them. They much more prefer the rovian style of politics where you cherry-pick jillan Mar 2016 #43

Are you accusing swag of "rovian style politics"? PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #48

Bernie said pretty much the same thing yesterday on Dickerson's Face Akamai Mar 2016 #78

^THIS^ yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #80

So the majority of Democrats don't count to Sanders. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #2

They do. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #34

No, Sanders plan is that even though he losses the popular vote, he will try to take it away Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #75

You probably just missed this part tazkcmo Mar 2016 #77

"A cop knocking on your door"? Funny! Akamai Mar 2016 #81

So Clinton has won by 20 or more points in how many states? Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #83

Funny, my vote at this moment won't be counting at all hereforthevoting Mar 2016 #76

I guess we'd better take his purity ring back swag Mar 2016 #3

Was looking forward to the purity ball. Bought my sackcloth gown and lining my eyes with ash. bettyellen Mar 2016 #13

You're correct. It's not anything EXCEPT that. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #4

After Iowa and New Hampshire SFnomad Mar 2016 #5

Fairness is what Bernie is trying to attain. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #35

Oh puh-leeze SFnomad Mar 2016 #49

You're right that it doesn't matter if I believe it . . . freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #50

The only voters Sanders wants to count are the ones supporting him. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #6

Super Delegates Who Are Officeholders Don't Want to Run with a Democratic Socialist at Top of Ticket Stallion Mar 2016 #7

Then they can lose timmymoff Mar 2016 #10

We wlll win this baby with you or without you, Guranasheed. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #30

That's what they thought in our county timmymoff Mar 2016 #31

With all due respect your hamlet is not the United States Of America. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #32

I'm pretty sure timmymoff Mar 2016 #33

Maybe you should consider what conservative Utah thinks of Sanders. w4rma Mar 2016 #56

As goes Utah so goes the nation./nt DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #57

Snarky. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #60

Bernie is not a long-time member of the Democratic Party. MineralMan Mar 2016 #8

And ^THIS^ SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #28

"designed to reflect the will of the voters as far as possible" freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #37

It's okay when he does it? If Hill did, they call em bribes or backroom deals. bettyellen Mar 2016 #9

She has already done it timmymoff Mar 2016 #11

So when Hillary works within the system it is bad, when SBS does it, it is heroic, LOL.... bettyellen Mar 2016 #12

Look at how she is timmymoff Mar 2016 #14

It takes coalitions for a party to get anything done these days. bettyellen Mar 2016 #15

a coalition of sell outs timmymoff Mar 2016 #16

every single politician and most non-profits too are being called sellouts, LOL. bettyellen Mar 2016 #19

To win the game you have to play the game. These rules were Hiraeth Mar 2016 #17

Don't worry, it won't happen. Not a one of them will switch to him. They don't want him. leftofcool Mar 2016 #18

Then they lose. Fawke Em Mar 2016 #67

Its going to keep the money flowing. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #20

A summer employment program for his campaign consultants. Makes sense. swag Mar 2016 #22

He better not if Hillary ends the primary ahead and they try to steal it will not end well. hrmjustin Mar 2016 #21

Because it's Bernie doing it, silly. DavidDvorkin Mar 2016 #23

Life is simpler without nuances, but sometimes they are relevent Tom Rinaldo Mar 2016 #24

I will grant you all of that, but swag Mar 2016 #29

I understand, but I can only speak for this supporter... Tom Rinaldo Mar 2016 #38

You do realize that the guy who helped create this superdelegate thing is the very synergie Mar 2016 #41

I'm actually a Democratic Committee member (at a very LOCAL level) Tom Rinaldo Mar 2016 #46

It is my understanding he will try to flip pledged delegates... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #59

Answering the question,"Who will win the general?". Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #27

So you think that after subverting the will of voters in underhanded ways, he's going to somehow synergie Mar 2016 #40

I don't know about all your steamy words but its how the party operates. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #45

Sanders is delusional. MoonRiver Mar 2016 #36

And Hillary is pre-crowned because it's HER TURN! longship Mar 2016 #68

Did I say she was "pre-crowned?" MoonRiver Mar 2016 #69

Maybe not you, but many here. longship Mar 2016 #72

Because when Bernie does something, no matter how vile, it's okay. It's a variation synergie Mar 2016 #39

Eh. Superdelegates are not robots. They can vote for whomever they want. randome Mar 2016 #42

It ain't going to happen. Beacool Mar 2016 #44

I agree. It is not going to happen. swag Mar 2016 #47

How is voters voting "subverting the will of voters"? OZi Mar 2016 #51

I think voters are voting. swag Mar 2016 #52

"I think voters are voting." OZi Mar 2016 #54

Don't look at me, swag Mar 2016 #55

'You can't influence superdelegates, that's Hillary's thing!' vintx Mar 2016 #53

If Clinton is indicted, YES, the Superdelegates should step in and overturn the pledged delegates. w4rma Mar 2016 #58

In the highly unlikely event that was to occur... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #62

That's exactly the response that I'd expect from the authoritarian wing of the Democratic Party.(nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #63

What can be more authoritarian than wanting to overrule the popular vote? DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #65

Precisely. (nt) w4rma Mar 2016 #70

The candidate with the most (pledged) delegates should be our nominee... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #71

They're in the bargaining phase of grief Gman Mar 2016 #61

Holy hell TheFarseer Mar 2016 #64

William Burroughs wold support Bernie. panader0 Mar 2016 #66

Bullshit! swag Mar 2016 #73

It's nonsense. Not going to happen. The desperate last gasp of losers. Lil Missy Mar 2016 #74

Bernie still confuses himself with the powerfully dynamic and charismatic 47 year old Obama, MoonRiver Mar 2016 #79

If Sanders wants to make a political maneuver for the superdels, that's fine Tarc Mar 2016 #82

It is subverting the will of the voters workinclasszero Mar 2016 #84