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Onlooker

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15. We created a mess there
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:50 AM
Mar 2016

What do you do about the women, gays, and progressives in the region who sort of did okay under Saddam, but now are now facing increased levels of abuse, especially when ISIS gets involved? What do we do in Afghanistan where we installed a corrupt but relatively secular government, under which many people live fairly secular lives? I don't think there are any simple answers, and I also don't think we should make the same mistake as FDR made when he waited until the genocide was well under way before getting the United States heavily involved in WWII. This is where I am more a liberal than an American socialist. But, as I said, that's why I really like Obama's approach more than Hillary's or Bernie's.

Depends on which "muscle" we exercise - if it's the one between our ears, it might work . . . Journeyman Mar 2016 #1
We lost. Get out. Get over it. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #2
^pretty much this ^ + 1000 Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #11
Agreed. senz Mar 2016 #18
Where's the diplomacy option? joshcryer Mar 2016 #3
With Kerry as SOS, I think that's the "as is" option. I've been very happy with Kerry's work. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #4
Fair enough. joshcryer Mar 2016 #6
Yes, indeed. But I think the topic here is the Middle East, not legitimate failings in Eurasia / JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #7
Obama has it right. Hillary and Sanders are both wrong. Onlooker Mar 2016 #5
Bernie can't be a socialist AND a libertarian. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #8
On foreign affairs, he's certainly not a socialist Onlooker Mar 2016 #9
There can never again be an American military intervention worthy of socialist support. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #10
Well, we can't very well go into a region, impose governments ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #12
Why prop up governments whose authority no one accepts? Ken Burch Mar 2016 #14
We created a mess there Onlooker Mar 2016 #15
What, exactly, CAN we do about women, gays and progressives in the Middle East? Ken Burch Mar 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Onlooker Mar 2016 #13
Other than ISIS, I'd say leave them alone. senz Mar 2016 #17
We need a more muscular sustainable energy policy. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #19
Seriously. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #20
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