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2016 Postmortem

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Renaissance Man

(670 posts)
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 04:23 PM Apr 2016

I don't have the same feelings as 2008. "Uniting" is harder than you say that it is. [View all]

I was thinking about this primary season and how it feels very different than 2008. Sometimes, I wish that the Democratic Primary, Democratic voters, Democratic Party officials, and even independent voters, would have kept this primary season restricted to the issues, but it didn't.

Admittedly, I'm voting in a state that will not be in the (D) column in the general election, but there are things that are happening now, in the Democratic Party, that I don't feel people will overlook (at least, as far as I'm concerned, I know I will not overlook).

The person that's slated to be the standard bearer for the Democratic Party (for the first time in my life) is someone for which I cannot see myself walking into my polling place (normally an early voter) for in November and casting a ballot. I've been voting for President since the 2000 election (first presidential election in which I qualified to participate), and even before this primary, I held a gut-wrenching feeling that we would get our nominee wrong, even if we were given the chance to get it right.

I'm not motivated. I'm not excited. I don't feel like phone-banking. I don't feel like knocking on doors. I don't feel like purchasing yard signs. I don't feel like debating. I don't feel like influencing others of my party's position on a lot of issues. I don't feel like we will win this election ...

... because I literally don't have a leg to stand on, and my party (the Democratic Party) decided to take that away from me.

How do I answer the questions about Hillary's failure to safeguard critical information on a private e-mail server?

How do I honestly convince Democratic and Independent voters (particularly environmentalists) that our eventual nominee is against fracking and has the best interests of the environment at heart?

How do I convince the 10%-15% of black voters that are vehemently anti-Hillary that she didn't really mean to call their children "super predators" and that she didn't really support the 1994 Crime Bill?

How do I convince the single mother or the family attempting to survive on minimum wage that Hillary was always for raising the minimum wage to $15?

How do I convince the millennial graduating with thousands of dollars in debt and no job prospects that there will be more jobs created by someone who called the TPP "the Gold Standard" and openly supported "NAFTA" and other free trade agreements?

How do I convince those who are against stupid wars that the person that voted for the Iraq War and wants intervention in Syria will be smart on foreign policy, when almost everything that she's touched (as it relates to foreign policy) has been an unmitigated disaster?

... and there are many other issues that, with a simple Google or YouTube search, can contradict anything I would try to say to convince that voter otherwise of where that nominee's position stands.

It's sad. I can't convince that voter, because I can't even convince myself of that position, without lying to myself. This is where I am. I'm voting down-ticket, but convincing myself (or others) that Hillary is what they WANT in November is something I can't even begin to even conceive happening.

To those who have always been in her camp, other than saying "but do you want Trump in the White House," what will make me want to vote FOR HER (rather than against someone else)?

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Yeah, draw the line at Hillary with Drumpf or Cruz in the wings Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #1
I see you didn't answer the question. rateyes Apr 2016 #9
What question? Why I prefer Hillary to Drumpf or Cruz? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #11
No. I guess you didn't read the post. The question rateyes Apr 2016 #49
I cant, you see I dont vote for myself. If the question is what will Hillary do for Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #50
What ever. At least you said you will vote down ticket. leftofcool Apr 2016 #2
Do you have an answer to the question? rateyes Apr 2016 #10
Oh Noes! nt onehandle Apr 2016 #3
Ohhh they always care about the issues, don't they? They're just so silly! senz Apr 2016 #5
Another post not answering the question. rateyes Apr 2016 #13
Very understandable and widely shared. senz Apr 2016 #4
You don't have the same feelings Bluerome Apr 2016 #6
Did you read the questions? senz Apr 2016 #7
All the answers you need Bluerome Apr 2016 #14
Oh yes, a Wall Street-friendly Supreme Court nominee. senz Apr 2016 #16
I wasn't responding to you Bluerome Apr 2016 #19
This is a message board. We PM for private conversations. senz Apr 2016 #31
Bill Clinton put up Ruth Bader Ginsburg JaneyVee Apr 2016 #22
Bill Clinton didn't take hundreds of thousands of dollars from Wall Street senz Apr 2016 #29
There is no reason to believe that Hillary's Supreme Court nominees will be any different than StevieM Apr 2016 #48
George Wallace had a D behind his name too... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #66
EXACTLY leftynyc Apr 2016 #17
Voting strictly downticket gives the GOP the Supreme Court Bluerome Apr 2016 #8
False (in about 40 non-swing states) PDittie Apr 2016 #26
The president appoints Supreme Court members Bluerome Apr 2016 #35
The president does not appoint Supreme Court members. n/t Contrary1 Apr 2016 #57
That's exactly right. Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #37
lol JI7 Apr 2016 #12
Yep, I share your sentiments. KPN Apr 2016 #15
Nicely expressed. We feel much the same and we are 7wo7rees Apr 2016 #18
Then don't. Problem solved. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #20
Operation Chaos 2016 JaneyVee Apr 2016 #21
Trump in the WH isnt reason enough for you??? JaneyVee Apr 2016 #23
This is a first time as a primary voter for me. Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #24
For a first timer...you got it! This crapola has been going on forever! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #25
the neolibs don't see themselves as one system out of many, they see it as a permanent system MisterP Apr 2016 #33
I do see a global agenda. Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #39
I'm more jaded I think since 08, not only towards our ruling class but towards everyone, the AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #27
It is not accurate to say she plays the game according to the rules. grasswire Apr 2016 #40
Well according to our supreme justices today, yes they are the rules for themselves anyway, AuntPatsy Apr 2016 #45
Exactly, JPnoodleman Apr 2016 #28
The answers have been pretty telling. Basically vote for Hillary or else. You should inspire think Apr 2016 #30
the TOS of DU are to support the democratic party nominee. there are other sites for people msongs Apr 2016 #36
The OP is looking for reasons to be inspired to vote for Hillary and to inspire others to vote for think Apr 2016 #43
Because this primary was a full-on assault on the Left Prism Apr 2016 #32
They have been saying that for my entire lifetime. Some day it will GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #41
I doubt many will answer your question Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #34
Working for Hillary would be working for things I abhor. grasswire Apr 2016 #38
..and I Ain't gonna work on Hill'ry's Farm no more... Joe Shlabotnik Apr 2016 #59
I sat out 1968, can do it again in 2016. Thirties Child Apr 2016 #42
With regard to the black voters, you could point out to them that Bernie voted FOR the same pnwmom Apr 2016 #44
I dont see how talking about sanders inspires ones support of hrc SwampG8r Apr 2016 #54
The OP is about uniting Sanders supporters with Clinton supporters. pnwmom Apr 2016 #55
No, it is not. Melissa G Apr 2016 #63
Our recession would have been much worse if we hadn't saved the banks. And the money pnwmom Apr 2016 #64
So many parts... Melissa G Apr 2016 #65
I was in college when George H.W. Bush was elected... Blanks Apr 2016 #46
Wow! I am impressed! djean111 Apr 2016 #52
+1000. Very thoughtful reasonable post. no wonder they could only reply with a snarky lunamagica Apr 2016 #58
Thanks, I feel for them... Blanks Apr 2016 #60
I feel sorry for you, sincerely. nt grasswire Apr 2016 #61
Good for you. Blanks Apr 2016 #62
K&R Marking to reply tomorrow. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #47
I'm not voting for Clinton or Trump. azmom Apr 2016 #51
The problem here is MFM008 Apr 2016 #53
She is Inspiring Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #56
You convince yourself that those things are just a made-up product of the looney left NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #67
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