2016 Postmortem

Algernon Moncrieff

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21. I broadly agree with what you propose.

Thu May 26, 2016, 04:29 PM

May 2016

Last edited Thu May 26, 2016, 05:27 PM - Edit history (1)

My counterproposal: 50 states (+ DC and territories) send ballots by mail to registered Democrats two weeks prior to a due date. Voters complete the ballot; return the ballot by mail; and the ballots are counter (and the counting is reviewed by an independent accounting firm). The first vote would be held in early FEBRUARY; a second vote if needed in early APRIL; a third if needed in June. Whoever gets 50% + 1 vote first wins.

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For 2020, the Democratic Party Should Take Back Its Nomination Methods [View all] MineralMan May 2016 OP

End open promaries and caucuses. hrmjustin May 2016 #1

Go for it. But you all pay for it ok nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #2

Ok. Nt NCTraveler May 2016 #11

This. No taxpayer funding for closed primaries. nt vintx May 2016 #14

Sure, OK. But, to do that, we'd probably have to move to MineralMan May 2016 #25

If you guys pay for it nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #29

it is actually democratic - a private organization allowing all its members to participate. anyone msongs May 2016 #39

Yeah sure nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #44

Agreed! tonyt53 May 2016 #3

I like all of that!!! UMTerp01 May 2016 #4

Independents could either choose a party to vote in or MineralMan May 2016 #27

create a category - everybodyelse/independents and persons running that category can pay for that. msongs May 2016 #41

Sounds good to me. We could call it...say...the "Know-Nothing Party." MineralMan May 2016 #42

Looks good to me! NurseJackie May 2016 #5

Databases. Well, I think the party should maintain a database of party MineralMan May 2016 #28

Open up to everyone to vote...and the popular vote wins. (after counting paper ballots) bkkyosemite May 2016 #6

That is what the general election already does tonyt53 May 2016 #26

That's the general election. I'm talking about party primaries. MineralMan May 2016 #30

NO HumanityExperiment May 2016 #7

Please explain more, HE. Hortensis May 2016 #10

...ok, here we go... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #20

and why are grassroots held as inferior larkrake May 2016 #105

...crickets... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #113

Sorry, HE, I was out running errands. A lot of errands. Hortensis May 2016 #120

...Let's break it down... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #121

Seems to me we have two types of entities here, Hortensis May 2016 #122

...'should independents be able to have a say'... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #123

You are thinking big and far, HE, and that is Hortensis May 2016 #124

...'I have some doubts about how applicable some of this is to any election in the near future'... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #125

Nice conversation, but we don't seem to be coming Hortensis May 2016 #127

...ideology.... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #128

Well, I think there's 0 chance of your ideology Hortensis May 2016 #129

wrong target HumanityExperiment May 2016 #130

I know, and imo your beliefs are strangely off kilter. Hortensis May 2016 #132

Then you don't get to use my taxes to fund it. VulgarPoet May 2016 #8

Fine. Then you don't get any say in any of it, unless you join MineralMan May 2016 #31

K&R for the thought promotion. NCTraveler May 2016 #9

Well, it's just an opening set of ideas. MineralMan May 2016 #32

The committees at the convention are separate from the DNC committees. LiberalFighter May 2016 #65

I agree with all that except Turin_C3PO May 2016 #12

Someone suggested that the party use mail-in ballots nationwide. MineralMan May 2016 #34

It would probably cost about $3 minimum per ballot not including counting of the ballots. LiberalFighter May 2016 #66

In MN, all caucus and convention staff are volunteers. MineralMan May 2016 #79

One of the differences between caucuses and primaries is hours. LiberalFighter May 2016 #80

That's true enough. MineralMan May 2016 #82

Closed primaries are nonsense. hellofromreddit May 2016 #13

If it wouldn't cause any problem for people, then I don't MineralMan May 2016 #35

Why can't you just go get an ID?? basselope May 2016 #119

Well ... NurseJackie May 2016 #37

We have examples of people who thought they were registered properly but were not. hellofromreddit May 2016 #88

this ^ Vote2016 May 2016 #60

Checking a box that says Democrat is not burdensome oberliner May 2016 #92

The checkbox isn't the burden. hellofromreddit May 2016 #114

Those are reasonable points oberliner May 2016 #115

I honestly don't think that's much of an issue. hellofromreddit May 2016 #116

You can bet your sweet bippy that work is feverishily ongoing as we tappy tap at our keyboards Fumesucker May 2016 #15

On June 14, it will be as if it had never happened anyhow. MineralMan May 2016 #36

bernie sanders could have become a democrat any time but chose to wait 73 yrs then demand the msongs May 2016 #43

He chose that rather than being a spoiler larkrake May 2016 #106

You put a lot of thought into this SheenaR May 2016 #16

I don't expect blanket agreement. I posted this MineralMan May 2016 #22

Like MOST of it. However: 1. No to #4 as written. Hortensis May 2016 #17

Sure. All of those multi-convention things are in caucus states. MineralMan May 2016 #23

Oh, okay. I'd forgotten or not noticed--yet another Hortensis May 2016 #33

I love caucuses, but not for selecting party nominees. MineralMan May 2016 #40

Ah, you can always be counted on to Hortensis May 2016 #45

With a primary everything between a precinct/county caucus and state convention would be eliminated. LiberalFighter May 2016 #67

Yes, thanks, LF. Somehow I got through this entire Hortensis May 2016 #69

I agree with getting rid of caucuses, but I hope we can find some ways Blue Meany May 2016 #18

I'm good with this except for number 2. And all locations need paper trails for vote confirmation. floriduck May 2016 #19

I like all primary elections held on the same day in the same jurisdiction. MineralMan May 2016 #38

I didn't question that. I meant you won't get both parties to have their primaries on the same day. floriduck May 2016 #63

I would wonder whether having parties financing primaries as voters could possibly vote in more than LiberalFighter May 2016 #68

I broadly agree with what you propose. Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #21

That's an interesting idea. It would require registration by party MineralMan May 2016 #24

I'd be good with ranked choice and one round. Probably do the one vote in March Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #51

IMO there is no reason to have majority winner. It is a matter of delegate count. LiberalFighter May 2016 #70

You miss the point. I propose to get rid of delegates Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #71

Agree on pretty much everything with a minor issue re: #4 TwilightZone May 2016 #46

Yes, very few understand the SDs. The media is primarily at fault with it. LiberalFighter May 2016 #75

More Achen & Bartels: Party affiliatio: IOW, exclusive clubs vs democracy snowy owl May 2016 #47

Don't like the vote counting machines. trudyco May 2016 #48

The 22 states without party registration have it right. Eric J in MN May 2016 #49

How are you going to have a closed primary in Michigan? longship May 2016 #50

No. We want closed primaries so Republicans don't create shenanigans. eom MohRokTah May 2016 #55

Again! How are you going to have a closed primary in states like MI? longship May 2016 #56

The party can require registration with the party itself. MohRokTah May 2016 #57

Oh great! Let's find a way to suppress primary voters. longship May 2016 #62

I oppose open primaries with every fiber of my being. eom MohRokTah May 2016 #76

There is no practical way to close the MI primary. longship May 2016 #81

I lid out how to do it. MohRokTah May 2016 #83

Closed primaries disenfranchise voters! longship May 2016 #84

No they don't. They weed out non Democrats MohRokTah May 2016 #85

In other words, disenfranchise voters. longship May 2016 #86

Sorry, but nobody should be a part of deciding the Dmeocratic nominee but Democrats. MohRokTah May 2016 #87

Define Democrats in context of Michigan... longship May 2016 #89

A Democrat is somebody willing to register as a Democrat. MohRokTah May 2016 #90

There is no fucking Democratic registration in MI!!! longship May 2016 #91

And states have no fucking say over the matter. MohRokTah May 2016 #94

Again, my friend, you would impose a two tiered registration. longship May 2016 #95

It's damned good idea. MohRokTah May 2016 #96

So, this really is about Hillary. longship May 2016 #97

No, this is about Democrats. MohRokTah May 2016 #99

Too bad. Myself, I don't measure my friends such. longship May 2016 #100

Friendship rewuires much more than interaction on an internet board. MohRokTah May 2016 #101

Sounds decent to me Dem2 May 2016 #52

The horror of open primaries is our party's voter fraud. jeff47 May 2016 #53

Amen! Since when did we begin test driving the "small tent" model for party obsolescence? Vote2016 May 2016 #59

You can have closed caucuses run like primaries. MohRokTah May 2016 #54

7. Have voters take a pledge of purity. insta8er May 2016 #58

No superdelegates Vote2016 May 2016 #61

Condense the calendar while we're at it. Having 5 states per week vote cuts it to 10 weeks, max. BobbyDrake May 2016 #64

I like it!!!! I still like the caucus system.. Peacetrain May 2016 #72

Minnesota's precinct caucuses work that way. MineralMan May 2016 #108

We have to do something different Peacetrain May 2016 #117

Recommandation # 2 is a surefire way of losing the GE. Don't! eom Betty Karlson May 2016 #73

Primary elections are paid for by tax payers, therefore they should all be open. B Calm May 2016 #74

Why bother to pretend any longer that we have a two party system? tularetom May 2016 #77

We should bring back the poll tax Sky Masterson May 2016 #78

Good points oberliner May 2016 #93

How about we do the opposite of all those things? lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #98

Only Democratic Party members GulfCoast66 May 2016 #102

That idea would lead to more Ralph Naders. NT Eric J in MN May 2016 #103

no caucuses, just one person/one vote in every state , standardize it nationally, it is a national larkrake May 2016 #104

You could run caucuses like they did in Michigan in 2004 Rybak187 May 2016 #107

There are many ways it could be done, for sure. MineralMan May 2016 #109

I hope that there are fewer caucuses next cycle Gothmog May 2016 #110

I'm sure there will be fewer. You can already remove Minnesota from MineralMan May 2016 #111

Texas had to drop the Texas two step this cycle Gothmog May 2016 #112

Good road map to ending the democratic party forever. basselope May 2016 #118

Having closed primaries, and especially when voters are purged by the millions beyond that, is like Time for change May 2016 #126

7. Set a time minimum GulfCoast66 May 2016 #131

National mail-in ranked-preference IRV (nt) Recursion May 2016 #133