2016 Postmortem

longship

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95. Again, my friend, you would impose a two tiered registration.

Thu May 26, 2016, 11:57 PM

May 2016

Who thinks that that is a good idea?

You might as well go back to smoke-filled rooms and/or caucuses if you are going to do that.

A two-tiered system would cripple turnout. And it is totally unnecessary!!!

What harm is done by open primaries? I mean other than the national party endorsed candidate might not win.

That's right. There is no harm as she'd likely win anyway.

What do you have against the public choosing the candidates?

I am not a member of the DNC because I am too poor to donate and I do not particularly like the way they've been doing things. I tend not to encourage bad behavior, especially in my own political party.

Peace!

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For 2020, the Democratic Party Should Take Back Its Nomination Methods [View all] MineralMan May 2016 OP

End open promaries and caucuses. hrmjustin May 2016 #1

Go for it. But you all pay for it ok nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #2

Ok. Nt NCTraveler May 2016 #11

This. No taxpayer funding for closed primaries. nt vintx May 2016 #14

Sure, OK. But, to do that, we'd probably have to move to MineralMan May 2016 #25

If you guys pay for it nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #29

it is actually democratic - a private organization allowing all its members to participate. anyone msongs May 2016 #39

Yeah sure nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #44

Agreed! tonyt53 May 2016 #3

I like all of that!!! UMTerp01 May 2016 #4

Independents could either choose a party to vote in or MineralMan May 2016 #27

create a category - everybodyelse/independents and persons running that category can pay for that. msongs May 2016 #41

Sounds good to me. We could call it...say...the "Know-Nothing Party." MineralMan May 2016 #42

Looks good to me! NurseJackie May 2016 #5

Databases. Well, I think the party should maintain a database of party MineralMan May 2016 #28

Open up to everyone to vote...and the popular vote wins. (after counting paper ballots) bkkyosemite May 2016 #6

That is what the general election already does tonyt53 May 2016 #26

That's the general election. I'm talking about party primaries. MineralMan May 2016 #30

NO HumanityExperiment May 2016 #7

Please explain more, HE. Hortensis May 2016 #10

...ok, here we go... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #20

and why are grassroots held as inferior larkrake May 2016 #105

...crickets... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #113

Sorry, HE, I was out running errands. A lot of errands. Hortensis May 2016 #120

...Let's break it down... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #121

Seems to me we have two types of entities here, Hortensis May 2016 #122

...'should independents be able to have a say'... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #123

You are thinking big and far, HE, and that is Hortensis May 2016 #124

...'I have some doubts about how applicable some of this is to any election in the near future'... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #125

Nice conversation, but we don't seem to be coming Hortensis May 2016 #127

...ideology.... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #128

Well, I think there's 0 chance of your ideology Hortensis May 2016 #129

wrong target HumanityExperiment May 2016 #130

I know, and imo your beliefs are strangely off kilter. Hortensis May 2016 #132

Then you don't get to use my taxes to fund it. VulgarPoet May 2016 #8

Fine. Then you don't get any say in any of it, unless you join MineralMan May 2016 #31

K&R for the thought promotion. NCTraveler May 2016 #9

Well, it's just an opening set of ideas. MineralMan May 2016 #32

The committees at the convention are separate from the DNC committees. LiberalFighter May 2016 #65

I agree with all that except Turin_C3PO May 2016 #12

Someone suggested that the party use mail-in ballots nationwide. MineralMan May 2016 #34

It would probably cost about $3 minimum per ballot not including counting of the ballots. LiberalFighter May 2016 #66

In MN, all caucus and convention staff are volunteers. MineralMan May 2016 #79

One of the differences between caucuses and primaries is hours. LiberalFighter May 2016 #80

That's true enough. MineralMan May 2016 #82

Closed primaries are nonsense. hellofromreddit May 2016 #13

If it wouldn't cause any problem for people, then I don't MineralMan May 2016 #35

Why can't you just go get an ID?? basselope May 2016 #119

Well ... NurseJackie May 2016 #37

We have examples of people who thought they were registered properly but were not. hellofromreddit May 2016 #88

this ^ Vote2016 May 2016 #60

Checking a box that says Democrat is not burdensome oberliner May 2016 #92

The checkbox isn't the burden. hellofromreddit May 2016 #114

Those are reasonable points oberliner May 2016 #115

I honestly don't think that's much of an issue. hellofromreddit May 2016 #116

You can bet your sweet bippy that work is feverishily ongoing as we tappy tap at our keyboards Fumesucker May 2016 #15

On June 14, it will be as if it had never happened anyhow. MineralMan May 2016 #36

bernie sanders could have become a democrat any time but chose to wait 73 yrs then demand the msongs May 2016 #43

He chose that rather than being a spoiler larkrake May 2016 #106

You put a lot of thought into this SheenaR May 2016 #16

I don't expect blanket agreement. I posted this MineralMan May 2016 #22

Like MOST of it. However: 1. No to #4 as written. Hortensis May 2016 #17

Sure. All of those multi-convention things are in caucus states. MineralMan May 2016 #23

Oh, okay. I'd forgotten or not noticed--yet another Hortensis May 2016 #33

I love caucuses, but not for selecting party nominees. MineralMan May 2016 #40

Ah, you can always be counted on to Hortensis May 2016 #45

With a primary everything between a precinct/county caucus and state convention would be eliminated. LiberalFighter May 2016 #67

Yes, thanks, LF. Somehow I got through this entire Hortensis May 2016 #69

I agree with getting rid of caucuses, but I hope we can find some ways Blue Meany May 2016 #18

I'm good with this except for number 2. And all locations need paper trails for vote confirmation. floriduck May 2016 #19

I like all primary elections held on the same day in the same jurisdiction. MineralMan May 2016 #38

I didn't question that. I meant you won't get both parties to have their primaries on the same day. floriduck May 2016 #63

I would wonder whether having parties financing primaries as voters could possibly vote in more than LiberalFighter May 2016 #68

I broadly agree with what you propose. Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #21

That's an interesting idea. It would require registration by party MineralMan May 2016 #24

I'd be good with ranked choice and one round. Probably do the one vote in March Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #51

IMO there is no reason to have majority winner. It is a matter of delegate count. LiberalFighter May 2016 #70

You miss the point. I propose to get rid of delegates Algernon Moncrieff May 2016 #71

Agree on pretty much everything with a minor issue re: #4 TwilightZone May 2016 #46

Yes, very few understand the SDs. The media is primarily at fault with it. LiberalFighter May 2016 #75

More Achen & Bartels: Party affiliatio: IOW, exclusive clubs vs democracy snowy owl May 2016 #47

Don't like the vote counting machines. trudyco May 2016 #48

The 22 states without party registration have it right. Eric J in MN May 2016 #49

How are you going to have a closed primary in Michigan? longship May 2016 #50

No. We want closed primaries so Republicans don't create shenanigans. eom MohRokTah May 2016 #55

Again! How are you going to have a closed primary in states like MI? longship May 2016 #56

The party can require registration with the party itself. MohRokTah May 2016 #57

Oh great! Let's find a way to suppress primary voters. longship May 2016 #62

I oppose open primaries with every fiber of my being. eom MohRokTah May 2016 #76

There is no practical way to close the MI primary. longship May 2016 #81

I lid out how to do it. MohRokTah May 2016 #83

Closed primaries disenfranchise voters! longship May 2016 #84

No they don't. They weed out non Democrats MohRokTah May 2016 #85

In other words, disenfranchise voters. longship May 2016 #86

Sorry, but nobody should be a part of deciding the Dmeocratic nominee but Democrats. MohRokTah May 2016 #87

Define Democrats in context of Michigan... longship May 2016 #89

A Democrat is somebody willing to register as a Democrat. MohRokTah May 2016 #90

There is no fucking Democratic registration in MI!!! longship May 2016 #91

And states have no fucking say over the matter. MohRokTah May 2016 #94

Again, my friend, you would impose a two tiered registration. longship May 2016 #95

It's damned good idea. MohRokTah May 2016 #96

So, this really is about Hillary. longship May 2016 #97

No, this is about Democrats. MohRokTah May 2016 #99

Too bad. Myself, I don't measure my friends such. longship May 2016 #100

Friendship rewuires much more than interaction on an internet board. MohRokTah May 2016 #101

Sounds decent to me Dem2 May 2016 #52

The horror of open primaries is our party's voter fraud. jeff47 May 2016 #53

Amen! Since when did we begin test driving the "small tent" model for party obsolescence? Vote2016 May 2016 #59

You can have closed caucuses run like primaries. MohRokTah May 2016 #54

7. Have voters take a pledge of purity. insta8er May 2016 #58

No superdelegates Vote2016 May 2016 #61

Condense the calendar while we're at it. Having 5 states per week vote cuts it to 10 weeks, max. BobbyDrake May 2016 #64

I like it!!!! I still like the caucus system.. Peacetrain May 2016 #72

Minnesota's precinct caucuses work that way. MineralMan May 2016 #108

We have to do something different Peacetrain May 2016 #117

Recommandation # 2 is a surefire way of losing the GE. Don't! eom Betty Karlson May 2016 #73

Primary elections are paid for by tax payers, therefore they should all be open. B Calm May 2016 #74

Why bother to pretend any longer that we have a two party system? tularetom May 2016 #77

We should bring back the poll tax Sky Masterson May 2016 #78

Good points oberliner May 2016 #93

How about we do the opposite of all those things? lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #98

Only Democratic Party members GulfCoast66 May 2016 #102

That idea would lead to more Ralph Naders. NT Eric J in MN May 2016 #103

no caucuses, just one person/one vote in every state , standardize it nationally, it is a national larkrake May 2016 #104

You could run caucuses like they did in Michigan in 2004 Rybak187 May 2016 #107

There are many ways it could be done, for sure. MineralMan May 2016 #109

I hope that there are fewer caucuses next cycle Gothmog May 2016 #110

I'm sure there will be fewer. You can already remove Minnesota from MineralMan May 2016 #111

Texas had to drop the Texas two step this cycle Gothmog May 2016 #112

Good road map to ending the democratic party forever. basselope May 2016 #118

Having closed primaries, and especially when voters are purged by the millions beyond that, is like Time for change May 2016 #126

7. Set a time minimum GulfCoast66 May 2016 #131

National mail-in ranked-preference IRV (nt) Recursion May 2016 #133