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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
179. In regards to your tagline...If you aren't saying "Bernie doesn't care"
Sat Jul 11, 2015, 11:40 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Sun Jul 12, 2015, 04:44 AM - Edit history (1)

What, exactly, are you saying? The analogy you set up in the OP was intended to set up a situation in which, as you saw it, white leftists were being treated in the way you believe Bernie and his supporters have treated PoC.

The analogy doesn't work because we would get totally behind a candidate and a campaign like that...and a lot of us did when we backed Jesse Jackson(especially in 1988, when he got widespread white left support and Bernie's endorsement).

And you may not be settled on a candidate, but you do appear to be settled on a candidate to relentlessly attack. Why do you give Bernie's campaign so much grief when you've said nothing, for example, about HRC's involvement in building the Democratic Leadership Council, a group that was formed largely to distance the Democratic Party from PoC issues and concerns(and to push the party towards a "law and order/tough on crime" position, when, having lived life, you know perfectly what "law and order/tough on crime" are code phrases for? Why are the text of Bernie's early stump speeches and the stops on his early campaign itinerary a greater crime than that? Or O'Malley's complete indifference to police violence as mayor of Baltimore?

You could make a legitimate case that all of the candidates need to work harder on PoC issues...yet, even though you haven't settled on a candidate, you give all of them except Bernie Sanders a pass. And you've never really said why.

Please do.

Nobody disagrees with you on the crucial need to keep fighting against institutional racism. It's just that some of us see that that isn't the only form of oppression out there.

Question for Bernie Supporters ... [View all] 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 OP
Why don't we leave it for each individual to decide.... daleanime Jul 2015 #1
I don't care who anyone supports. I just want to understand, why you will fail ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #3
That's strange.... daleanime Jul 2015 #6
Supposing you had a candidate, which we did btw, in 1988, who was African American sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #34
I was just about to post about Jesse Jackson TM99 Jul 2015 #40
I don't see dedication in this artislife Jul 2015 #94
+ 1000 Well Put !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #104
+ million HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #152
+ 1 Billion appalachiablue Jul 2015 #182
Hilary? OnlyBernieBurnsBush Jul 2015 #184
What I would truly want to know artislife Jul 2015 #55
For the 999th time ... I AM NOT SETTLED ON A CANDIDATE! 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #67
Sorry, joined last week. artislife Jul 2015 #75
What's there to dialogue about, when ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #97
Not playing artislife Jul 2015 #98
Thanks. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #99
+1 madokie Jul 2015 #165
Say it all you want, anyone who reads Your posts can tell . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #106
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #142
In regards to your tagline...If you aren't saying "Bernie doesn't care" Ken Burch Jul 2015 #179
Very well stated, the crux of the matter. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #183
That moment was a pretty big turning point for me as well virtualobserver Jul 2015 #127
That's strange, I live in a poor black neighborhood and have been asked several times Dragonfli Jul 2015 #162
Of course you care. 840high Jul 2015 #175
Would I be incorrect or disagreeable if I stated ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #2
No. Not at all ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #5
I prefer to make the affirmative case... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #10
Agreed. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #18
I do not understand what you are getting at AverageGuy Jul 2015 #35
All of which Sanders is doing. Or maybe you are not familiar with his position on those issues? sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #45
If you don't fight for both social AND economic justice then when/if parity ever does stillwaiting Jul 2015 #4
Well DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #7
I don't think there's a single person on this website that doesn't want that to be our reality. stillwaiting Jul 2015 #17
I don't want to mislead anybody. I am a generic white guy, albeit a poor generic white guy. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #19
Oh? What candidate do I support? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #9
I have read MANY of your posts. You support neo-liberal policies for the most part. stillwaiting Jul 2015 #11
What does neo-liberal mean to you? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #15
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #25
Sweden is held out as a socialist nation DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #28
Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #31
You started this discusion, why are you ignoring direct responses to the actual issues raised.. 2banon Jul 2015 #122
I agree with you madokie Jul 2015 #173
a classic example of the privileged class wallowing in deep denial and.. 2banon Jul 2015 #193
Hugo Chavez didn't nationalize a single bank... OnlyBernieBurnsBush Jul 2015 #185
Neoliberalism is a right wing economic policy AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #69
The meaning of it has changed... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #76
It means economic liberalism AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #81
Economic liberalism like supporting regulated markets and a robust social welfare system? /nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #83
Economic liberalism means to liberate, not regulate, Capitalism AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #87
I don't believe FDR, JFK, and LBJ ever called themselves Democratic Socialists. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #89
Yet that's essentially what they were AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #92
Well DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #93
You are hung up on the Soviet model of centralized socialism AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #96
Where is this practiced? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #103
It is practiced in Nordic countries AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #119
No. Chan790 Jul 2015 #189
Laissez-faire capitalism or classical liberal economic policies failed. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #191
Fast Track isn't a "neo-liberal policy" ... it is a procedural policy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #22
Fast Track is a neo-liberal DREAM. Neo-liberal policies on steroids will be implemented stillwaiting Jul 2015 #24
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #26
Neoliberal economic policies are eroding civil rights AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #79
I think it is a useful point, 1SBM. malthaussen Jul 2015 #20
These terms get thrown around DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #41
I was referring to economic determinism. malthaussen Jul 2015 #43
The rich are always going to be with us. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #52
And "generous welfare state" is a lightening rod for conservatives- independents as well as bettyellen Jul 2015 #74
Here's the thing - if that is what you believe about Bernie - that he does not care about PoC - djean111 Jul 2015 #8
See, this is what is so frustrating about attempting to discuss this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #13
I am not shocked and angered. At all. You seem to want to keep asking this djean111 Jul 2015 #16
Seems simple enough to me. malthaussen Jul 2015 #49
Fair point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #51
The meme from the BOG/HRC/conservative camp is that because Sanders wants everyone Doctor_J Jul 2015 #68
Oh, I am not even gonna try reasoning with anyone. You are right. djean111 Jul 2015 #70
How many times do you get to ignore ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #105
Here we go again with the false dichotomies. delrem Jul 2015 #12
To this point, 4 Bernie supporters have posted and none have responded on what I wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #14
Maybe YOU should think about why we see the OP as an attack. stillwaiting Jul 2015 #21
You should listen to 1sbm. bravenak Jul 2015 #166
Hi! SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #125
Hey you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #138
I do see your screen name SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #161
Honestly, I would welcome that approach. donf Jul 2015 #23
A Question. Are you saying your problem is not with what Bernie says but Autumn Jul 2015 #27
No ... I love everything Bernie says; it's what he barely mentions that is HIS problem ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #29
So he needs to talk about it longer? I get that, it upsets and frustrates me Autumn Jul 2015 #30
And not only longer ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #33
I like Hillary, she's a nice person and she has done a lot of good things in her career. Autumn Jul 2015 #39
I just want to add. The issues that you feel Bernie hasn't talked about long enough Autumn Jul 2015 #50
There you go again, ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #66
Does his history not count? Are we to ignore that? How can you get upset because Autumn Jul 2015 #78
I'm not offended ... just frustrated that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #102
Then you aren't interested in a discussion at all you just want everyone to agree with you. Autumn Jul 2015 #112
He's actually looking for a discussion of the ideas he has expressed- not what you think you heard. bettyellen Jul 2015 #128
I guess I should brush up on my ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #157
the candidate you describe sounds great to me. ibegurpard Jul 2015 #32
True. There is, has never been, and I strong suspect, will never be that candidate ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #36
I can't imagine why you think this candidate would alienate anyone here. Kalidurga Jul 2015 #37
Many POC disagree with you. The People of Color for Bernie FaceBook page has almost 900 supporters peacebird Jul 2015 #38
I realize that I am not The Arbiter for Opinion of all people of color ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #46
The 50 year record would matter. virtualobserver Jul 2015 #42
I'm a "POC" Report1212 Jul 2015 #44
This Bernie Sanders supporter welcomes your question. femmedem Jul 2015 #47
No, I don't think Bernie being Jewish will hurt him with ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #120
NAFTA and TPP are racist attacks on black communities. Closing 50 schools in Chicago is racist. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #48
And a question for you... jeff47 Jul 2015 #53
This^ artislife Jul 2015 #57
I care, in the present day ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #151
So...track records don't count? Except when they do count? jeff47 Jul 2015 #156
honestly i do not understand restorefreedom Jul 2015 #54
Think of it this way: malthaussen Jul 2015 #56
"economic justice," empowers the poor, anyone should realize that. Autumn Jul 2015 #59
Supposing that to be the case... malthaussen Jul 2015 #60
I'm no expert on those thing but I think there may be a bit of difference in Autumn Jul 2015 #73
The question is whether what you and Bernie see as "economic justice" is what others see malthaussen Jul 2015 #88
The prosperity of the wealthy class has done nothing for the Autumn Jul 2015 #100
Possilby they should. malthaussen Jul 2015 #101
That's why people shouldn't tell people they are stupid . Autumn Jul 2015 #113
agreed. and bernie is the only one restorefreedom Jul 2015 #85
Thanks for putting it this way. rbnyc Jul 2015 #61
+1 azmom Jul 2015 #86
i absolutely am NOT advocating any form of trickle down restorefreedom Jul 2015 #77
The issue is of perception malthaussen Jul 2015 #91
if you are saying that bernie needs to work on presentation restorefreedom Jul 2015 #121
So it really isn't that hard to understand? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #135
Not hard to understand, and something every candidate should address. n/t femmedem Jul 2015 #186
Great post! Stardust Jul 2015 #63
t-y restorefreedom Jul 2015 #71
Really ... with all due respect ... Trajan Jul 2015 #58
How does this post not constitute a personal attack? malthaussen Jul 2015 #62
Alert on it .... Trajan Jul 2015 #64
Eh, alert would be overkill malthaussen Jul 2015 #82
The ignore feature still works. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #72
Can't be blocked here HUH ? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #107
??? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #109
Your not asking question, your setting hurdles .?????????? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #110
Setting hurdoes for whom. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #111
That is the POINT of GD. Open discussion. bravenak Jul 2015 #134
If asking is inconvient, better I'm blocked, many are leaving. NOT HERE THOUGH, huh . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #136
Ummm hmmm. bravenak Jul 2015 #137
Wouldn't bother me at all Scootaloo Jul 2015 #65
I would love a candidate like that, actually. historylovr Jul 2015 #80
+ 1000 Well Put !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #108
This is just incidental. rbnyc Jul 2015 #84
socio-economic equality and justice 101 - It's DIRECTLY CONNECTED! 2banon Jul 2015 #90
They go hand in hand and cannot be separated. morningfog Jul 2015 #115
Bernie shockey80 Jul 2015 #95
All of the many different issues count sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #114
anything I have to say goes without saying olddots Jul 2015 #116
My answer, but first Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #117
+1000 !!!! That's being part of the process !!! orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #118
Are you beginning to understand why you are failing Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #123
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #145
Our president should be president of everyone. madfloridian Jul 2015 #124
So only policies that help everyone are important? bettyellen Jul 2015 #129
Do you really find that laughable? madfloridian Jul 2015 #130
Yes- because it perpetuates inequality that's existed for hundreds of years- bettyellen Jul 2015 #141
So that's how it is? madfloridian Jul 2015 #143
It's not personal- but when people basically say there's no need to specifically address issues bettyellen Jul 2015 #144
Yes, Lawd ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #147
It's strange it needs to be said here. Really strange. bettyellen Jul 2015 #149
Really, it's not strange at all ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #154
"if it is good for me, it must be good for everyone!" SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #176
I completely agree! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #146
Without Income Equality - There Wil Be No - Social Equality cantbeserious Jul 2015 #126
Declared, loudly and furiously, those ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #131
Income Inequality Is The Primary Method For Enforcing Social Inequality cantbeserious Jul 2015 #133
Again ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #139
Again - Income Inequality Is The Primary Method For Enforcing Social Inequality cantbeserious Jul 2015 #140
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #148
What was that? bettyellen Jul 2015 #150
A "BettyEllen!" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #158
I don't agree completely. bravenak Jul 2015 #153
One Can't Fix Hearts And Minds - One Can Fix Income Inequality cantbeserious Jul 2015 #155
We can fix your income inequality. We get left out and stuck in prison. bravenak Jul 2015 #159
Totally Lost By That Post cantbeserious Jul 2015 #163
Reading is fundamental. bravenak Jul 2015 #167
Totally Lost By That Post cantbeserious Jul 2015 #168
I can tell. Requires thinking outside of youself to understand. Critical thinking and what not. bravenak Jul 2015 #169
Totally Lost By That Post cantbeserious Jul 2015 #171
I feel terribly bad for you. It's actually quite depressing to me. bravenak Jul 2015 #172
Are you a spambot malfunctioning- or just deliberately bettyellen Jul 2015 #187
Capitalism goes hand and hand with racism. AOR Jul 2015 #177
What are the social justice issues you most want to hear a candidate address? femmedem Jul 2015 #164
You hit the nail on the head. bravenak Jul 2015 #132
I understand. LWolf Jul 2015 #160
Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #170
No. LWolf Jul 2015 #174
Nobody else does either. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #180
We all JOIN YOU in calling for an all-out fight against racism. Ken Burch Jul 2015 #178
I've read your post 4 times now TheFarseer Jul 2015 #181
I believe he is trying to communicate a number of concerns, not to exclude economic Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #188
thanks for the well thought out and fact based reply TheFarseer Jul 2015 #190
You're welcome. Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #192
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