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In reply to the discussion: SLATE: Bernie Sanders Claims He’s a Longtime Champion of Marriage Equality. [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)62. Nope. The blogger lied and your claim that Bernie opposed ssm was false.
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SLATE: Bernie Sanders Claims He’s a Longtime Champion of Marriage Equality. [View all]
MADem
Oct 2015
OP
Listen to him. He favors CIVIL UNIONS, not marriage. And he says it is a states right issue.
MADem
Oct 2015
#14
Wow, he really said that? "Then the "marriage" people cry. I say make everyone get "civil marriages"
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#199
You will never know because I will never tell--at least not you. Never have, never will.
MADem
Oct 2015
#237
Where was the claim made that he called for "legalizing same-sex marriage in that statement"?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#52
What part of "Let us abolish all laws which attempt to a particular brand of morality or
Ed Suspicious
Oct 2015
#70
Yes, the everyday movement of 'practices' in state legislatures does not move in a
riversedge
Oct 2015
#180
Seriously? He didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#8
For the people who are sick of seeing lgbt rights exploited by HC supporters.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#12
No one is looking at the video where he says, plainly, his objection is that it is
MADem
Oct 2015
#9
I've looked at it 5 times, he didn't want them to overturn states who legalized ssm.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#11
Where is the part where he said he opposed same sex marriage like the blogger claims?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#21
Civil unions are not marriage equality. Civil unions are a lesser choice, and that is what he said
MADem
Oct 2015
#23
Point out the exact part of the video where he says he opposes same sex marriage.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#24
You haven't proven your claim yet so I'm going to keep asking for your evidence.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#28
NOoooooooo....he has SAID he voted against DOMA because he thought .... wait for it...
MADem
Oct 2015
#242
Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage:
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#243
He ducked the question. He was asked about equality and he pivoted and failed to answer.
MADem
Oct 2015
#249
So he never said that he opposed marriage equality and the blogger lied. Good to know!
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#250
Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage:
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#252
I've answered this question, what--four, five times already? Do you think spamming is a substitute
MADem
Oct 2015
#253
I don't think the author of the piece minds his answer either--what he objects to is the
MADem
Oct 2015
#127
"as recently as 2006, Sanders OPPOSED marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont"
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#131
He did. He said, in 2006, on that video, that he supported CIVIL UNIONS for Vermont.
MADem
Oct 2015
#132
When he answered the question "Do you favor gay marriage" with "I favor civil unions." nt
MADem
Oct 2015
#138
Ha ha ha! So, if he answers the question "Do you support gay marriage in VT" with the "civil
MADem
Oct 2015
#141
So that's your fall back? You can't prove your claim and now you're saying it's not enough for me?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#144
Ah, how convenient. You can imply Bernie didn't support ssm but Hillary is off limits?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#152
Start one if you'd like. I'll be the first to say, flat out, that HRC was slow out of the gate on
MADem
Oct 2015
#217
Kev, listen to it again. He was running for Senator of VT. The questioner was asking him about
MADem
Oct 2015
#216
"Do you think that gay people should have the right to get married outside of Massachusetts
MADem
Oct 2015
#222
re: "He replied that he supports civil unions and that is a states right issue. "
thesquanderer
Oct 2015
#231
Wait a minute--his "position on DOMA" was that "marriage is a STATE issue" -- he
MADem
Oct 2015
#262
If indeed "the state is making one person in our nation 'lesser' than another person"
thesquanderer
Oct 2015
#268
I see it another way. I think the federal government must speak when it comes to
MADem
Oct 2015
#269
He was being a politician. And that's fine. He was playing the "art of the possible"
MADem
Oct 2015
#272
Nice try, but no. Come back when you find a blogger who can manage the truth.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#168
That is a very tortured interpretation that flies in the face of the plain meaning of what he said.
SunSeeker
Oct 2015
#201
It still doesn't square well with the question asked, which was about marriage and legislative
MADem
Oct 2015
#282
It doesn't matter that there was no issue that he supported these things.
thesquanderer
Oct 2015
#285
There's a difference between expressing what "the reality" was and expressing a personal view on
MADem
Oct 2015
#271
Nothing new there, no smoking gun, no proof of MADem's claim that Bernie opposed ssm.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#29
Did he say "Civil unions--not marriage equality" or are those your words?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#30
Actually, they are. All state recognized marriages are civil unions. Each and every one.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2015
#51
Exactly. It was a yes or no question. By saying he supports civil unions, his answer was no.
SunSeeker
Oct 2015
#115
Bingo--that's precisely it. It's de rigeur to not use "negative" language in debates.
MADem
Oct 2015
#119
Yes he did, by asserting he supported civil unions when asked if he supported ssm.
SunSeeker
Oct 2015
#126
Where did he say he supported one and not the other? I must have missed it.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#130
So you can't prove that claim? Good to know. The op couldn't either.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#137
Which words? Where did he say he opposed same sex marriage? The exact words, please.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#142
I already told you in post 126. You may enjoy repeating yourself but I don't.
SunSeeker
Oct 2015
#146
You did, but you're not going to get anything but cut-and-paste for your efforts!
MADem
Oct 2015
#255
Except that being for civil unions does not mean you're against gay marriage.
thesquanderer
Oct 2015
#188
Changed his position from what to what? Where did he say he opposed ssm?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#43
Of COURSE he is--that's in the article, too, that he was ahead of the curve as well. nt
MADem
Oct 2015
#48
The blogger lied: "Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont"
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#53
Nope. The blogger lied and your claim that Bernie opposed ssm was false.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#62
No, that's not accurate. I provided an article for comment, and you became angry at me
MADem
Oct 2015
#71
You posted "It’s Just Not True." And now you're claiming that I "became angry".
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#72
Well if you would have answered me I wouldn't have had to keep asking.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#77
Except that Bernie didn't "evolve" since he never opposed same sex marriage.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#82
Sanders evolved as the OP notes. Good for him-and good for Clinton. Nothing wrong with evolving
riversedge
Oct 2015
#171
Because the author lied. He didn't say he thought Bernie opposed ssm, he stated it as fact.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#88
Hmmm. Your source says Bernie was mayor of Burlington in 1990. He was not. In1988
Luminous Animal
Oct 2015
#37
The writer of that piece is "speaking as a gay man," and he's not fond of ANY of the
MADem
Oct 2015
#83
How many of our staunch allies were advocating equal marriage rights in 1975?
Betty Karlson
Oct 2015
#111
The video was from 2006. WAY after DOMA. In 2006 equality WAS on the radar. That's why it was
MADem
Oct 2015
#112
Bernie didn't want the feds to be able to override the states who made ssm legal.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#118
Yes, I was blocked for refusing to throw former President Jimmy Carter under the bus.
MADem
Oct 2015
#93
No, Jimmy Carter said that it should always be left up to the states.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#94
I'm "causing a ruckus" because I posted an article by a gay writer about a candidate for POTUS's
MADem
Oct 2015
#97
Nothing to be sorry for--that article is fact based. I'm not beating a horse, but
MADem
Oct 2015
#213
Hillary asserted states' rights re: gun control - are you going to compare her to racists too?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#113
Those aren't her words? Which part of what she said doesn't assert states' rights?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#134
He just won't listen, lgbt people have told him so IN THIS THREAD and he refuses to see it.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#129
Thanks for kicking the thread. The gay author of the blog IS right. The video doesn't lie. nt
MADem
Oct 2015
#143
The blogger lied: "Sanders opposed marriage equality for his adopted home state of Vermont"
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#145
He is not a "blogger" -- he is a SLATE writer who reports on LGBT and Law issues--and his report is
MADem
Oct 2015
#148
I know what question was asked, I know far more about this than you do apparently.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#149
His report claims Bernie was Mayor of Burlington in 1990 which he was not. This is one of the few
Bluenorthwest
Oct 2015
#189
When you have a video of bernie saying marriage should be only between a man and a woman, get back
djean111
Oct 2015
#157
Whatever Bernie said, it was not as bad as Hillary's "marriage is only between a man and a woman"
djean111
Oct 2015
#161
The point of the article is to somehow make it appear that Hillary is better on gay rights than
djean111
Oct 2015
#164
Absolutely not--this writer has gone after Clinton too (and plenty of people yelling
MADem
Oct 2015
#166
Please provide evidence where Sanders has said: "Marriage is between a man and a woman."
Armstead
Oct 2015
#176
ah, I do not have to. Evolving does not mean specific words that one has said. It is movement from
riversedge
Oct 2015
#181
And another poster is added to my list of "Don't bother reading his/her crap." (eom)
mak3cats
Oct 2015
#172
Please point out in that text where he said he opposes same sex marriage.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#210
Put the question that was asked in front of your quote and it's apparent to everyone.
MADem
Oct 2015
#211
That's what I thought. Aaaaaaaaand we're all done here folks! Nothing to see.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#212
Funny how you refuse to do that. You keep avoiding simply putting the question down ahead of
MADem
Oct 2015
#214
I'll believe it when he admits that Bernie never said he opposed same sex marriage.
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#233
The full-throated support comes from the "I didn't have to evolve--I was there" remarks he has
MADem
Oct 2015
#267
There is only one thing I'm more tired of than the 'state's rights' excuse and that is...
wyldwolf
Oct 2015
#225
Jimmy Carter, Mr. Habitat For Humanity, was named Asshole of the Year for not being "correct"
MADem
Oct 2015
#239
Please point out in this transcript where he said he opposes same sex marriage:
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#240
So he never said he opposed same sex marriage. Thanks! I suppose you'll be deleting this op?
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#246
Show me in that video where he says--in answer to the QUESTION he was asked--that he supports it.
MADem
Oct 2015
#257
The blogger lied. Unless you can point out where Bernie said he opposed marriage equality:
beam me up scottie
Oct 2015
#248