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jfz9580m

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26. Well your comment about sleuths made me think
Sun Mar 3, 2024, 06:57 AM
Mar 3

Last edited Sun Mar 3, 2024, 12:43 PM - Edit history (5)

I saw this today and that made me think
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24086809/fake-cancer-research-data-scientific-fraud

I have engaged in publically funded scientific research and have always recognised the huge responsibility that carries. Anyone who has any questions about my work is more than welcome to call me out on it.

I have above all no investment in putting bad science out there. My general take based on most scientists I have seen in the natural sciences (and these are all people with no financial investments etc. so that may self select for more disinterested research) is that people care about their work and any errors are just errors-and it is never people not giving a shit about what they put out there.

But that aside..well..I mean ..I am not exactly proud of my generally unbeautiful progress through life 🙄. It is not as if someone’s private alcoholism is anyone’s business. I am not a big fan of interventions because someone seems like a drunk etc. People get over being a drunk etc in their own time. In my case, increasing awareness that alcohol is a carcinogen did more than any intervention. Shrug…

And besides I am sober..well mostly anyway..now. I have a legally valid prescription for mj.

Shrug. Zuboff had mentioned this in her book. That people become suspicious of legitimate authority in highly surveilled and crassly mercenary spaces where social trust is low.

Where I disagree with Zuboff is about solutions involving art etc. I saw some guy trying to criticize some big tech co by snarling traffic or something. That is just attention seeking.


It is one reason I have decided to be careful and keep my temper. There is the non transparency of corruption or sleaziness. Then there is the recognition that human society is largely super annoying -it really is…malls, social media, weddings, shopping and celebrities and so on. I don’t know how people find that shit not annoying ..but anyway..my point is there is hiding from society because you are doing something wrong and there is also hiding from society because (to be blunt about it) society largely consists of far too many people engaged in far too many super annoying things). The world is so pushy and overcrowded and cluttered with crap tech by now that you don’t have to be Greta Garbo to never feel alone enough.

The ori or any data sleuths are always fine by me. I think there are these truly braindead notions that people hold -probably derived from corporate lawyers-which perpetuates drivel along the lines that women who do poor work will bring up gender or race if called out on poor work (that is I think how lawyers who are just familiar with litigation think). No decent scientist defends poor work by bringing in politics. Aside from anything else, it really is not a matter of mere opinion. There is objectively good work or work of average quality or work of low quality.

While there is no misconduct in my work, I have always been aware that my own work is of very indifferent quality (that was something I thought privately and was obvious to anyone who knew me), but I have been trying to get better but it is uphill all the time. It is why I am still working on a follow up paper to work from 15 years ago. I think I got slightly better at a glacial pace but then things got super annoying.

I am not kidding when I say that while my science work is not of very good quality, on the whole my people skills are even worse. It is all very tiresome. But I can at least fix the science part now. I can submit this paper in a year and move on. I have given up on the people part..too exhausting. I find people fatiguing and annoying as a rule..I went into the non profit sciences or come to a few forums like these where the likelihood of finding less annoying stuff is higher.


My own efforts at self correction aside I hope these sleuthing types don’t go and harass my colleagues because I am leading a dysfunctional life on my own always thinking about creeps and so on..
Pretty much all my colleagues were essentially decent people. I would hate for my dysfunction to mean that some creeps go and harass them because I am too much of a sad sack for it to be much fun even annoying me.
I don’t see why I would make up such stuff..it is not as if I have anything to gain by that honestly. But the internet has made it easy for these people who go around making pests of themselves to target and annoy people either pure trolling or out of misguided self righteousness or whatever.


Such vigilante types are welcome to harass me alone if they think someone leading a quiet ish life trying to work in isolation is somehow an affront to whatever the fuck… I disliked one institution I worked at and that not the science parts ..it was more the part of the world it was in and the place as a whole..like a prison crossed with a marketplace and a mall 🙄-I have mentioned how I feel about malls. This sort of tacky nouveau riche (not that old riche isn’t tacky..I suppose the rich are generally tacky) place ..blah..

Anyway so much stuff out there is such bs. At least I worked in a real science. When I look at that stuff mentioned in that article. All that business management and psychology stuff is so bullshitty anyway…dishonest versus honest bullshit-who cares? It is all bullshit. It figures that it is the kind of drivel that attracts attention unlike good solid science with no “people” aspect to it..That research mentioned in that article is just the sort of stuff I always roll my eyes over..it is a bit like that Neri Oxman’s work. Or okay no..not like Neri Oxman’s -her bullshit is of a different type.

I sometimes look dourly at stuff like that and think that okay, I might be the worst scientist in my own field but at least it is a real science and not some vague drivel that is all hyped up and full of management speak about decisions and blah blah. I suppose it is better to be the worst scientist in an actual science than at the top of your field in something that is such bullshit peddled by those business management types..I am not saying that everything that is not one of the natural sciences is bullshit. I respect legitimate social and psychological etc sciences. But this sort of stuff..I associate it with those seminars those ..blah..


Anyway thanks for listening mutant and proud. I am going to stay offline for a long time and finish this paper I was stuck on but getting less so..in the meantime I hope no “sleuth” shows up to check on the crazy lady slash bot slash whatever the fuck ..🙄 I suppose I am a sleuth to the extent that I sleuth my own work. Policing other people never had any appeal for me..

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That makes sense MutantAndProud Oct 2023 #2
Thanks jfz9580m Oct 2023 #3
Shining light on the situation MutantAndProud Oct 2023 #4
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Shoshana Zuboff is correct MutantAndProud Oct 2023 #7
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Sorry jfz9580m Oct 2023 #10
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Yeah it is horrible where I live jfz9580m Feb 2024 #14
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I think the coercive elements have definitely caused it to get worse MutantAndProud Feb 2024 #16
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It's a major export right now MutantAndProud Feb 2024 #19
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Stackexchange is pretty nice for clues and answers MutantAndProud Mar 1 #22
Well.. jfz9580m Mar 2 #23
It happens MutantAndProud Mar 2 #24
Yeah jfz9580m Mar 2 #25
Well your comment about sleuths made me think jfz9580m Mar 3 #26
It's not abnormal to become- MutantAndProud Mar 3 #27
Well it depends jfz9580m Mar 4 #28
Btw jfz9580m Mar 4 #29
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Well this is truly going to be my last post for a long time jfz9580m Mar 6 #32
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