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merrily

(45,251 posts)
22. I know it's not just Republicans, but they tend to emphasize gubernatorial and
Tue May 19, 2015, 11:43 PM
May 2015

even private sector executive experience more than Democrats. From my perspective. Democrats tend to fall in love (speaking figuratively, not romantically) with a candidate.

Additionally, as far as Dukakis, I think there's a difference between setting out a set of criteria in the abstract, on the one hand, and, on the other hand, coming up with reasons why your specific candidate is the best one. I chose Obama in 2008. At first, I did so solely on the basis of who I thought had the best shot at winning the general. Then, as I was selling him to others, and defending him against supporters of other candidates, I fell in love (again, figuratively, not romantically). After that, I wasn't dispassionate at all. I was just knee jerk defending him, even when, in other circumstances, I would have conceded a point or two. Or at least just been silent.

With regard to Truman and Johnson, their VP experiences don't matter much, because at the time each won his sole Presidential race, he'd been President for a while
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Yes, but you're mixing apples and oranges as to the reasons I mentioned them.

As you recall, you posted only about electability, whereas my reply added the issue of what kind of President people have actually made because both issues are important.

Johnson and Truman were both examples of why serving as Vice President doesn't necessarily add to one's ability to govern. My additional point about Truman, who appears on the ten best US presidents ever lists of both Republican and Democratic historians, was that he had failed at every other thing he'd tried, but still succeeded as President, so formulas don't tell us much. He did not even have a college degree. Today, he never would have made it even to Vice President.

Something just occurred to me that I did not mention in my prior post and, in fairness to the truth, should mention: Truman did have military service, World War I.



Why Not Martin O'Malley? [View all] Raine1967 May 2015 OP
Good to see it here, Raine. elleng May 2015 #1
I met Gov O'Malley last summer when he was campaigning Peacetrain May 2015 #2
I met him this spring, and he impressed me as well. Raine1967 May 2015 #3
I hope so Raine! Peacetrain May 2015 #4
because he is not an announced candidate for anything? nt msongs May 2015 #5
He will be announcing on May 30. HE has leased space as a campaign HQ. Raine1967 May 2015 #7
My question would be, what does he bring to the table that Bernie doesn't? Jester Messiah May 2015 #6
here is a good article about him: Raine1967 May 2015 #8
If you want to find out more about O'Malley, go to the O'Malley Group. Koinos May 2015 #9
He has executive experience, which the voters seem to value. Jim Lane May 2015 #10
Republicans put a lot of emphasis on having been a Governor and/or a member of the military. merrily May 2015 #19
It's not just Republicans. Jim Lane May 2015 #21
I know it's not just Republicans, but they tend to emphasize gubernatorial and merrily May 2015 #22
Our media is such a huge part of the problem! CrispyQ May 2015 #11
When I think back to the 2008 POTUS campaign coverage (meaning even before 2008) Raine1967 May 2015 #12
I don't think O'Malley will be ignored by the media. Koinos May 2015 #13
Case in point, CrispyQ - WSJ: "Hillary vs. 19 Republicans" 5/20/15 RiverLover May 2015 #25
Thanks Raine! demwing May 2015 #14
To play devil's advocate swilton May 2015 #15
Was that why he was elected twice as governor? Raine1967 May 2015 #16
The poll was recent - within the past couple of months swilton May 2015 #17
O'Malley was re-elected Governor in 2010 by a wider margin demwing May 2015 #18
In this forum, posters discuss candidates, including Hillary, freely. merrily May 2015 #20
O'Malley's problem is finding space between Sanders and Clinton. geek tragedy May 2015 #23
You make valid points. Raine1967 May 2015 #24
It's also hard to reconcile his support for Clinton in the 2008 Campaign swilton May 2015 #26
Failed to mention Bernie Sanders INdemo May 2015 #27
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