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MineralMan

(146,371 posts)
Tue Apr 17, 2018, 10:09 AM Apr 2018

The Starbuck's restroom policy sucks. Here's why it exists, though. [View all]

In most cities, public toilet facilities are few and far between. Often there is not one near where a person might have need of one. This is the source of a number of problems, since human animals need places to carry out their excretory functions.

Those humans include people who do not have the means to make a purchase in a private business. In most cities, such people are forced to do what they must do, wherever they must do them. That means a wall in an alley or any other place.

Businesses, in order to serve their customers, often have public restrooms available for those customers. That presents a problem for them, since there is a cost to providing those facilities, and their maintenance in a reasonable state of cleanliness. So, many businesses, rightly or wrongly, reserve the facilities for actual customers. Restaurants, bars, and other places where food or drink is served are required to have restrooms.

The real fault in all of this is the failure of cities to provide and maintain public restrooms that are conveniently located in places where people are. Most cities have few such facilities, typically in parks and public buildings. The cost of maintaining them is high, and they sometimes become a nuisance, when used for other reason.

Cities should make it easy for people to find places where they can relieve themselves. They do not. That leads to people attempting to use whatever facilities exist. Those are usually located in businesses.

This is a social justice issue. We fail badly at this particular, and essential service. Very badly.

People have to go. They need places to go. Businesses should not be required to fill that public need. Our cities should. That they do not is a public service failure.

That said, businesses that have public restrooms should not discriminate in their use. Their policies should be universal. Often, that is not the case. That is a social justice failure on their parts.

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Mobile Alabama, a city of 200K people, where I reside.... Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #1
Most public restrooms are located in OldHippieChick Apr 2018 #2
Well, it probably does. MineralMan Apr 2018 #3
Now we know the inspiration for this classic: robbob Apr 2018 #4
Funny post, but Memphis is probably no better. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #6
It could be worse Submariner Apr 2018 #5
Pay toilets are less common today. MineralMan Apr 2018 #7
Here is sit, broken hearted jpak Apr 2018 #12
"If we provide public restrooms Phoenix61 Apr 2018 #8
In L A 7-11s won't let you use the restroom even if you make a purchase. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2018 #9
It stinks. Rorey Apr 2018 #10
There may be an exception for small restaurants in NYC. I don't know. MineralMan Apr 2018 #17
McD's doesn't let non customers use the restrooms in NYC. crazycatlady Apr 2018 #38
I've never been in an NYC MacDonalds. MineralMan Apr 2018 #39
"businesses that have public restrooms" left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #11
Most businesses have this rule. cwydro Apr 2018 #13
one reason to like mc donalds. mopinko Apr 2018 #14
In most subway stations in NYC that even have restrooms, MineralMan Apr 2018 #16
I have never seen clothing vetters at the entrance to department stores. Tipperary Apr 2018 #44
Same with Burger King Hekate Apr 2018 #21
On road trips I would always stop at a fast food over gas stations IronLionZion Apr 2018 #27
Not all McDonalds do whopis01 Apr 2018 #43
idiots! Build good facilities all over the country and hire people to take care of them. demigoddess Apr 2018 #15
In Europe, many places charge directly for using the bathroom. Yavin4 Apr 2018 #18
Some places in Europe the pissoirs are free FarCenter Apr 2018 #20
Not so helpful for the ladies and kids, but definitely better than nothing Hekate Apr 2018 #22
Female urinals exist IronLionZion Apr 2018 #24
This is a very real problem... tonedevil Apr 2018 #19
That is why God invented fast food restaurants. kwassa Apr 2018 #23
Drugs, rape, robbery, and other bad problems happen in public restrooms IronLionZion Apr 2018 #25
agree - KT2000 Apr 2018 #37
I've waited a long time and knocked to use a one person restroom IronLionZion Apr 2018 #42
I believe most municipalities require restrooms in any restaurant Atman Apr 2018 #26
Everybody poops. nt TeamPooka Apr 2018 #28
Indeed they do, and when the need is urgent MineralMan Apr 2018 #29
When I lived near Boston catrose Apr 2018 #30
People are regularly overdosing in public restrooms JPZenger Apr 2018 #31
That is true, of course. MineralMan Apr 2018 #34
"may not," not "should not" Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #32
Such laws vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, MineralMan Apr 2018 #33
IIRC most German towns, cities have public restrooms with cleaning person on duty bobbieinok Apr 2018 #35
As someone who travels frequently crazycatlady Apr 2018 #36
KnR Hekate Apr 2018 #40
The first time I saw public restrooms was in London treestar Apr 2018 #41
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