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In reply to the discussion: 5 year old's touch sends on-loan sculpture crashing to floor. Kansas City bills parents 132K [View all]The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,431 posts)7. It was insured. The insurance company is seeking reimbursement
from the people who caused the loss. Its called subrogation, they do it all the time.
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5 year old's touch sends on-loan sculpture crashing to floor. Kansas City bills parents 132K [View all]
Demovictory9
Jun 2018
OP
I surely grew up with this. My parents drilled it into my sister & I from the moment we could walk
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#8
Precisely. Yes, the kid should not have been unsupervised, but the sculpture should
tblue37
Jun 2018
#264
It WAS someone else's fault. It was the fault of the people who failed to secure the statue,
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#407
Yes, it was. It was a large open space filled with people, and the child was just around the corner.
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#432
It disgusts me that some people don't think the government facility is responsible
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#436
It's about the ins. co. recovering damages so they don't have to raise your rates.
bitterross
Jun 2018
#434
The facility failed to properly secure the work at a venue used for parties
jberryhill
Jun 2018
#435
He's going to have money taken out of his allowance for a looooooooooong time...
backscatter712
Jun 2018
#195
"If your brat just broke something you obviously weren't supervising them well enough."
Cha
Jun 2018
#107
Such horrible comments...I would file for bankruptcy if there was a judgement
Demsrule86
Jun 2018
#252
agreed. The sculpture in the comm center was like leaving fancy tea cups on the edge of counter
Demovictory9
Jun 2018
#440
top heavy glass sculpture on little pedestal in community center...what can go wrong?
Demovictory9
Jun 2018
#9
Sculpture of woman with big pointy bullet breasts - and little boys - what could go wrong????
womanofthehills
Jun 2018
#149
How do you know it's top-heavy? Looks like it could have a fairly heavy base to me ...
mr_lebowski
Jun 2018
#181
museum loan department should have helped them secure it. they would have had the expertise
Demovictory9
Jun 2018
#17
But nobody could expect a community center used for parties to have children in it
jberryhill
Jun 2018
#37
Thanks for that perspective. Kansas City has a very wealthy arts community last I knew.
yardwork
Jun 2018
#266
Thanks for the information. I also was a board member, but not of a community center,
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#352
They're proving that Idiot's don't know how to "Idiot Proof" a sculpture!
dubyadiprecession
Jun 2018
#29
looking at it... maybe they thought sculpture was all one piece. The top would not separate from
Demovictory9
Jun 2018
#47
Possibly and I'd be more than willing to agree if this were a exhibit promoted for children.
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#33
It was not an exhibit, it was a COMMUNITY CENTER promoted for families with children.
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#409
Really looking forward to some of the self-righteous posts that will show up in this thread.
WhiskeyGrinder
Jun 2018
#11
I wonder if "local artist Bill Lyons" has ever sold a piece for anything remotely close to $132K?
Gidney N Cloyd
Jun 2018
#12
I think there ought to be one or more outside appraisers brought in to determine the value... n/t
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#41
Fine, as long as they're trying to determine whether the artist or the community center
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#354
You've done it now... I made that suggestion to parents going through chaotic international
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#51
Concern ass asked me why one of mine was on a leash. answer - to protect her! They walked away
lunasun
Jun 2018
#123
I held the nephews & nieces hands when we were in public, when they were that young.
irisblue
Jun 2018
#79
it wasn't a museum, it was a community center that rented itself for weddings apparently
Demovictory9
Jun 2018
#26
Neither was that piece of art. It had been on sale for months at that price, with no takers.
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#404
Even the cheapest junk IKEA furniture has straps meant to secure it to the wall to prevent tipping.
Hassin Bin Sober
Jun 2018
#138
You don't get it. This thing, to a child, looks more like a toy -- a large doll --
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#334
Last Thanksgiving, a young child of guest used my towel bars to do chin ups, leaving a 18 inch hole
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#67
They paid nothing...offering to pay only $20-$30 that they suggested it would take to repair
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#191
Parents who allow their chldren to climb up and hang on a pedestal unwatched are IRRESPONSIBLE
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#265
Of course. I never argued to the contrary. I made restitution for the mistakes made by both
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#281
Children as young as five are old enough to learn basic concepts of behavior & consequences.
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#287
and the child should not have been left unattended unsupervised. SHARED responsibillity
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#291
They are likewise taught responsibillity or IRRESPONSIBILITY by the model set by parents
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#286
It is when you are suggesting the parents take NO responsbility. I said SHARED
hlthe2b
Jun 2018
#295
The major mistake was made by the adults, who failed to secure the statue properly,
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#406
While I see the distinction that he was not a trespasser and the invitee standards would apply
treestar
Jun 2018
#422
How would a child know this is a piece of art and not a climbing toy? It's in a community center,
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#316
"5 year old's touch sends on-loan sculpture crashing to floor. Kansas City bills parents 132K."
LenaBaby61
Jun 2018
#135
That value was just the artist's pipe dream. He'd had it on sale for months and no one
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#410
Thank you. People are saying all sorts of weird stuff -- this art work was, as you say,
Nay
Jun 2018
#360
I don't expect every child perfect- I expect Parents to take responsibility when they are not
Lee-Lee
Jun 2018
#106
I expect people who run facilities to take responsibility for keeping them safe.
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#412
If the parents can't supervise their child at a wedding, then the child shouldn't be at the wedding.
meadowlander
Jun 2018
#212
I don't know the answer to your question. There are plenty of examples of pieces that
Ninga
Jun 2018
#81
This wasn't a museum. It was a community center where people were having a party. n/t
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#394
Does she really believe a "Do Not Touch" sign would have stopped her kid?
sinkingfeeling
Jun 2018
#38
Sign should read "Little Boys & Big Boys - Please Do Not Touch Bullet Breasts"
womanofthehills
Jun 2018
#158
If the artwork had been secured, it wouldn't have topped over. And it should have
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#405
Yep. Because ya know the 5 year old thinks all public spaces are for his whims and fancy!
Ninga
Jun 2018
#55
Many things in a community center CAN be touched. What seems obvious to an adult --
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#411
probably some of the little glass panels imbedded in the metal broke. sculpture not entirely destr
Demovictory9
Jun 2018
#63
As an adult, were you taught not to place expensive hazardous items insecurely in party venues?
jberryhill
Jun 2018
#77
Some of these responses remind me of the saying "the older I get, the better I was"
Hassin Bin Sober
Jun 2018
#145
When I broke stuff when I was a kid, my parents paid for it - no questions asked
meadowlander
Jun 2018
#250
How much stuff did you break as a kid. Just what was the total bill. What are we talking about here?
Hassin Bin Sober
Jun 2018
#263
Because Mom is on the news blaming everyone under the sun except herself and her kid.
meadowlander
Jun 2018
#300
You kept your hands in your pockets or behind your back at wedding receptions?
jberryhill
Jun 2018
#78
How it was displayed would be a bigger factor if she was close by and stopped him.
nini
Jun 2018
#129
Kids? Heck, look at the dumb ADULTS in Florida who decided to drive under an unfinished bridge!
jberryhill
Jun 2018
#371
If they try to climb statues and pull them down on to themselves, I guess...
meadowlander
Jun 2018
#235
The video is sped up at least x3 or x10. You can see it in the way the other kid moves on the right
meadowlander
Jun 2018
#249
The city buys insurance for a reason. The city also has an obligation to reasonably
33taw
Jun 2018
#90
Actually, this is the one insurance company seeking to recover from the parent's insurance
jberryhill
Jun 2018
#116
If the falling statue had hurt the child climbing it, would attractive nuisance law apply?
Freethinker65
Jun 2018
#91
No, if the child was killed by the falling statue, the parents should be punished
jberryhill
Jun 2018
#95
Let me rephrase then, if you deliberately antagonize an 800lb alpha predator
Devil Child
Jun 2018
#219
I am in the camp that says the parents did not adequately supervise the child and should pay.
Shrike47
Jun 2018
#94
Overland Park is a city over 150,000 folks. They can payl it should have been secured better.
aikoaiko
Jun 2018
#109
It wouldn't obviously be a sculpture to a young child. It could be a toy. A large doll.
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#395
You can bill people for destroying their stuff? Man, we better hope Iraq, Guatemala, El Salvador,
ck4829
Jun 2018
#140
Agreed - plus this is like a cement climbing structure with big breasts -
womanofthehills
Jun 2018
#167
This thing had been for sale with NO TAKERS. The price tag was a WISH by the artist,
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#314
If the kid had torched that thing with an Elon Musk flamethrower, I'd still be on his side
kcr
Jun 2018
#238
Parent here. My take is, my wife and I carefully scrutinize where we take our youngest who is 3
stevenleser
Jun 2018
#325
I can see there being comparative negligence but the parents are mostly at fault here
dsc
Jun 2018
#261
How do you know what she could hear, around the corner, in a noisy crowd of partygoers?
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#364
The mother briefly turned her back on the child while she said goodbye to the family
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#356
Well stated. I can't believe the unrealistic views of what life is like in this thread. nt
LAS14
Jun 2018
#361
And your kids have never taken a little initiative and done something contrary to rules???? nt
LAS14
Jun 2018
#309
Me, too. I hope the parents find a good lawyer who puts this case away quickly.
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#326
This thing was an "attractive nuisance," a hazard in a COMMUNITY CENTER, not an art museum.
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#315
If the child had been crushed to death, DUers would laugh and award a "Darwin"
jberryhill
Jun 2018
#359
This was a community center during a wedding reception and the mother was saying goodbye
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#329
One of mine is special needs. He is 53 with the mental age of 9. Even he learned you can look but
appleannie1943
Jun 2018
#383
I know! And in generations past, mothers of 7 children could keep their eyes on
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#408
I refuse to believe that none of your kids ever touched anything they shouldn't have touched
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#400
Offsetting penalties: parents should be more watchful, but museums should expect these incidents.
VOX
Jun 2018
#375
Were there any warning signs not to touch the sculpture? I don't think this is an open and shut
still_one
Jun 2018
#379
No. No sign, and it wasn't secured in place, and it wasn't roped or cordoned off. n/t
pnwmom
Jun 2018
#399
Headline should be about the insurance company trying to avoid it's responsibility
TeamPooka
Jun 2018
#424
It was neglegent of the City to put that artwork on display in a community center
ashling
Jun 2018
#427
and a hug from a kid separates the top from the bottom? artist should have cemented
Demovictory9
Jun 2018
#441