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Moosepoop

(1,926 posts)
248. What video did you watch?
Sun Jun 17, 2018, 01:58 AM
Jun 2018

You said that "It fell because a fifty pound child was repeatedly yanking it down onto himself for the better part of a minute."

The video at the newser.com link in the OP shows the boy running to the sculpture, stopping in front of it at the the two-second mark, starting to climb it at the three-second mark, and the top piece of the sculpture hitting the floor at the thirteen-second mark.

So about 10 seconds from moment he first touched it, which is not remotely close to "the better part of a minute."

I didn't see the "repeatedly yanking it down" part you mentioned, either. I saw him put his hands on it, and then spend a good 4 or 5 seconds of those ten trying to keep it from falling after it started tipping forward.

Is there a different video with a different timeline and different actions than the one shown?

If not, I'd have to say that an unsecured $132,000 art piece capable of being toppled in 10 seconds by a five-year-old shouldn't have been placed in a community center whose website proclaims:

"From toddlers to seniors, TRCC offers a fun and active environment that everyone in your family can enjoy."



https://www.opkansas.org/things-to-see-and-do/community-centers/tomahawk-ridge-community-center/


A facility that markets itself to families with toddlers has no business putting extremely expensive, fragile, and dangerous items in the common areas of that fun and active family environment that they advertise. That's just common sense.



You broke it, you bought it Takket Jun 2018 #1
I surely grew up with this. My parents drilled it into my sister & I from the moment we could walk hlthe2b Jun 2018 #8
++1 I grew up with this and passed it on to mine lunasun Jun 2018 #112
I hear you ... it was the same in my family FakeNoose Jun 2018 #239
This is about an insurance company seeking to evade its responsibilities jberryhill Jun 2018 #18
You are right exboyfil Jun 2018 #93
Yes. hunter Jun 2018 #111
Yes! rusty fender Jun 2018 #141
I agree EffieBlack Jun 2018 #151
It wasn't an attractive nuisance. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #420
At older common law it had to lure the kid, but treestar Jun 2018 #426
That's still the law in Kansas based on a quick Lexis search. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #428
Completely agree. Rorey Jun 2018 #160
Agree. If you are in an art museum treestar Jun 2018 #173
This is a community center. Hangingon Jun 2018 #308
Precisely. Yes, the kid should not have been unsupervised, but the sculpture should tblue37 Jun 2018 #264
Did you watch the video? I was alomst with you until I watched it. bitterross Jun 2018 #312
Remember that the video has been edited. Mariana Jun 2018 #319
Her attitude was quite clear with or without editing bitterross Jun 2018 #323
You saw about 45 seconds of "her attitude". Mariana Jun 2018 #327
Legally her attitude does not really matter treestar Jun 2018 #338
It WAS someone else's fault. It was the fault of the people who failed to secure the statue, pnwmom Jun 2018 #407
No, it was bad parenting. How do you secure the glass sculpture. bitterross Jun 2018 #431
Yes, it was. It was a large open space filled with people, and the child was just around the corner. pnwmom Jun 2018 #432
It was not filled with people in the video at all. bitterross Jun 2018 #433
It disgusts me that some people don't think the government facility is responsible pnwmom Jun 2018 #436
A Plexiglass surround that was tall enough would have worked. Lars39 Jun 2018 #437
Because every community center has the funds to do everything bitterross Jun 2018 #439
It's about the ins. co. recovering damages so they don't have to raise your rates. bitterross Jun 2018 #434
The facility failed to properly secure the work at a venue used for parties jberryhill Jun 2018 #435
looks like little glass panels within metal. artist should help fix it Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #56
The artist said it took him 2 years to create DesertRat Jun 2018 #255
He's going to have money taken out of his allowance for a looooooooooong time... backscatter712 Jun 2018 #195
Aren't museums supposed to insure the exhibits? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #2
It was insured. The insurance company is going after the family. comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #5
It was insured. The insurance company is seeking reimbursement The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #7
Yes, so are community centers where this occurred. nt WePurrsevere Jun 2018 #70
Children should be closely supervised mythology Jun 2018 #3
"If your brat just broke something you obviously weren't supervising them well enough." Cha Jun 2018 #107
I'm insulting his idiot parents mythology Jun 2018 #178
That teaching is a process treestar Jun 2018 #184
The child deserves a public commendation jberryhill Jun 2018 #216
The child and his parents deserve to pay for the sculpture. bitterross Jun 2018 #313
You're taking your outrage out on the little boy by Cha Jun 2018 #234
Such horrible comments...I would file for bankruptcy if there was a judgement Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #252
They have a lawyer; they will. nt tblue37 Jun 2018 #301
They should. Lucky the kids wasn't hurt. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #332
Actually, didn't she say he was a bit scraped up? nt tblue37 Jun 2018 #343
I hope they get plenty...dangerous... Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #344
Yeah, well, according to some of the posters here Mariana Jun 2018 #321
People are so judgemental. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #330
Bullshit. Adrahil Jun 2018 #126
"Kids are kids, and they sometimes make mistakes." workinclasszero Jun 2018 #133
It should have been behind glass if it was that valuable Rorey Jun 2018 #164
+1 treestar Jun 2018 #176
agreed. The sculpture in the comm center was like leaving fancy tea cups on the edge of counter Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #440
good analogy! treestar Jun 2018 #442
Lots of adults do exactly that sort of thing, PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2018 #174
Your use of "brat" says everything. nolabear Jun 2018 #144
Yes treestar Jun 2018 #177
Yes, but apparently some DUers never put a foot wrong Mariana Jun 2018 #243
Plus their parents were these absolute martinets treestar Jun 2018 #273
Yes, they were never out of their parents' sight for a single minute. Mariana Jun 2018 #292
It's a community center mcar Jun 2018 #161
An adult could have treestar Jun 2018 #175
The child should receive a public commendation jberryhill Jun 2018 #201
Exactly. And how was a child supposed to know that thing was supposed to be pnwmom Jun 2018 #318
LOL, nice attitude. Sarcasm I assume. nt USALiberal Jun 2018 #210
"Brat" Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #213
Here, this story will warm your heart jberryhill Jun 2018 #362
Looks like the parents were negligent in supervising the child. comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #4
Maybe they should have secured it better B2G Jun 2018 #6
top heavy glass sculpture on little pedestal in community center...what can go wrong? Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #9
Yup. I think if anyone is sued, it should be the community center for... LAS14 Jun 2018 #13
No kidding. And displaying at a venue B2G Jun 2018 #15
Exactly. Cha Jun 2018 #108
Sculpture of woman with big pointy bullet breasts - and little boys - what could go wrong???? womanofthehills Jun 2018 #149
How do you know it's top-heavy? Looks like it could have a fairly heavy base to me ... mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #181
The pedestal was part of it sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #271
Right and why so low to the floor??? bluestarone Jun 2018 #10
museum loan department should have helped them secure it. they would have had the expertise Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #17
But nobody could expect a community center used for parties to have children in it jberryhill Jun 2018 #37
If it was that fragile... we would have rejected it. Zoonart Jun 2018 #88
I agree with you. Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #159
Thanks for that perspective. Kansas City has a very wealthy arts community last I knew. yardwork Jun 2018 #266
Thanks for the information. I also was a board member, but not of a community center, pnwmom Jun 2018 #352
Yep. Zoonart Jun 2018 #355
YOU? YOU'RE THE ONE! jberryhill Jun 2018 #370
You found me. Zoonart Jun 2018 #373
Put me on the jury. I would not expect that type of display in a museum. Lochloosa Jun 2018 #19
They're proving that Idiot's don't know how to "Idiot Proof" a sculpture! dubyadiprecession Jun 2018 #29
looking at it... maybe they thought sculpture was all one piece. The top would not separate from Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #47
But what could go wrong in a community center rented for parties? jberryhill Jun 2018 #32
Parties where people drink alcohol. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #353
Possibly and I'd be more than willing to agree if this were a exhibit promoted for children. hlthe2b Jun 2018 #33
Not an exhibit mcar Jun 2018 #162
I was taught the same thing kcr Jun 2018 #247
It was not an exhibit, it was a COMMUNITY CENTER promoted for families with children. pnwmom Jun 2018 #409
No kidding! n/t demmiblue Jun 2018 #52
This. Iggo Jun 2018 #99
Yep. This is going to backfire on them big time. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #142
Really looking forward to some of the self-righteous posts that will show up in this thread. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2018 #11
Thanks for being among the first. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2018 #206
I wonder if "local artist Bill Lyons" has ever sold a piece for anything remotely close to $132K? Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2018 #12
I hope some reporter digs into that bit of the story. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #16
lol Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #22
I think there ought to be one or more outside appraisers brought in to determine the value... n/t hlthe2b Jun 2018 #41
Fine, as long as they're trying to determine whether the artist or the community center pnwmom Jun 2018 #354
upclose picture of the sculpture at his website Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #42
It sucks. Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #320
oops (replied to wrong post) deleted hlthe2b Jun 2018 #45
Good point, a piece of art is worth whatever an artist can sell it for. Bluepinky Jun 2018 #153
I have loaned art works to a couple of art museums... GReedDiamond Jun 2018 #182
And this thing had sat there for sale for two months with zero takers. pnwmom Jun 2018 #333
Here's a fix for under 30 bucks Revanchist Jun 2018 #14
My mother used one on me.... but not when I was 5. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #23
now they look like kid is wearing a backpack Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #34
This was a community center which is rented for wedding receptions jberryhill Jun 2018 #24
You've done it now... I made that suggestion to parents going through chaotic international hlthe2b Jun 2018 #51
Concern ass asked me why one of mine was on a leash. answer - to protect her! They walked away lunasun Jun 2018 #123
At a wedding reception? crazycatlady Jun 2018 #152
Omg! Lotusflower70 Jun 2018 #202
I had one for my son all american girl Jun 2018 #303
At a wedding? John Fante Jun 2018 #228
That wouldn't fix anything. The mother had turned her back on the boy pnwmom Jun 2018 #331
I watched the video. I didn't see any adult supervising the kid. irisblue Jun 2018 #20
The parents were there, just out of the frame. B2G Jun 2018 #28
She says in the OP video she was "around the corner". tammywammy Jun 2018 #60
I held the nephews & nieces hands when we were in public, when they were that young. irisblue Jun 2018 #79
You held their hands through wedding receptions? jberryhill Jun 2018 #80
Actually, B/C I didn't see the under 7yr old kids as much, irisblue Jun 2018 #117
This GoneOffShore Jun 2018 #260
I saw the video this morning. MineralMan Jun 2018 #21
Right, life might happen if we let our children out of our total control. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #25
it wasn't a museum, it was a community center that rented itself for weddings apparently Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #26
"in places where expensive things can be easily broken" jberryhill Jun 2018 #27
Doesn't matter Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #39
It most certainly DOES matter jberryhill Jun 2018 #49
Stupid analogy Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #57
A community center used for parties is an absurd example jberryhill Jun 2018 #62
They can argue that in court Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #65
It was on loan from a museum jberryhill Jun 2018 #69
Not all museums have guards Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #87
I did not ask you about all museums jberryhill Jun 2018 #92
And had any of them broken the piece they also would be responsible Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #98
The child was injured jberryhill Jun 2018 #105
Parents let the kid run unsupervised Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #110
a cake is not worth 132K though treestar Jun 2018 #186
Neither was that piece of art. It had been on sale for months at that price, with no takers. pnwmom Jun 2018 #404
Haven't you ever heard the term "attractive nuisance"? pnwmom Jun 2018 #335
What were the injuries ? MichMan Jun 2018 #118
Even the cheapest junk IKEA furniture has straps meant to secure it to the wall to prevent tipping. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2018 #156
The only questionable analogy I saw was you comparing John Fante Jun 2018 #232
You don't get it. This thing, to a child, looks more like a toy -- a large doll -- pnwmom Jun 2018 #334
Last Thanksgiving, a young child of guest used my towel bars to do chin ups, leaving a 18 inch hole hlthe2b Jun 2018 #67
I'm not understanding completely RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #187
They paid nothing...offering to pay only $20-$30 that they suggested it would take to repair hlthe2b Jun 2018 #191
Ugh RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #236
it should have read "ultimately I bore the cost"... typed too fast, I guess hlthe2b Jun 2018 #237
You don't think there's a difference between a common towel bar fixed to a wall kcr Jun 2018 #246
i think there is a lot of similarity hlthe2b Jun 2018 #256
It's not just about whether parents are responsible for their children kcr Jun 2018 #262
Parents who allow their chldren to climb up and hang on a pedestal unwatched are IRRESPONSIBLE hlthe2b Jun 2018 #265
It's clear you were triggered kcr Jun 2018 #267
Triggered by those who would argue parents don't have to be responsible for hlthe2b Jun 2018 #270
No matter how well raised a child, they will treestar Jun 2018 #275
Of course. I never argued to the contrary. I made restitution for the mistakes made by both hlthe2b Jun 2018 #281
I would expect that, but if the child is as young as 5 treestar Jun 2018 #285
Children as young as five are old enough to learn basic concepts of behavior & consequences. hlthe2b Jun 2018 #287
This child probably did learn something treestar Jun 2018 #289
and the child should not have been left unattended unsupervised. SHARED responsibillity hlthe2b Jun 2018 #291
I don't see him as unsupervised and unattended treestar Jun 2018 #293
I was recently in a car accident where I was not hurt treestar Jun 2018 #274
They are likewise taught responsibillity or IRRESPONSIBILITY by the model set by parents hlthe2b Jun 2018 #286
At what age? treestar Jun 2018 #288
we are talking about parents. hlthe2b Jun 2018 #290
No responsibility is not the same as treestar Jun 2018 #294
It is when you are suggesting the parents take NO responsbility. I said SHARED hlthe2b Jun 2018 #295
It is conceivable treestar Jun 2018 #339
The major mistake was made by the adults, who failed to secure the statue properly, pnwmom Jun 2018 #406
People who put attractive nuisances in community centers should be responsible pnwmom Jun 2018 #317
The parents are supposed to keep their kids in leg irons or something Mariana Jun 2018 #322
Maybe the Hannibal Lechter rig Bettie Jun 2018 #374
Nice try with the misused legal term. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #376
It was an attractive nuisance. It attracted the child, pnwmom Jun 2018 #381
No it wasn't. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #388
There is a lawyer on this page who is also arguing that the facility pnwmom Jun 2018 #389
Well point me to whatever theory he/she is basing that on. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #390
There are actually at least 2 lawyers arguing on the side of the mother. pnwmom Jun 2018 #393
Well that lawyer apparently knows about as much as you do about torts. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #401
You should tell her so. I'll watch. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #403
While I see the distinction that he was not a trespasser and the invitee standards would apply treestar Jun 2018 #422
You can't sue for merely having an attractive nuisance. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #425
a lawyer could certainly argue that it is an attractive nuisance treestar Jun 2018 #419
Ignoring the (still) wrong definition of an attractive nuisance, SomethingNew Jun 2018 #421
Wouldn't it infer the owner's negligence treestar Jun 2018 #423
According to the Restatement of Torts, Section 339 treestar Jun 2018 #417
You skipped right over the word "trespass." SomethingNew Jun 2018 #418
Would you install an expensive, fragile item, Cracklin Charlie Jun 2018 #137
the site is responsible for securing items dawg day Jun 2018 #179
How would a child know this is a piece of art and not a climbing toy? It's in a community center, pnwmom Jun 2018 #316
The parents were there. B2G Jun 2018 #31
Sorry Mom nini Jun 2018 #102
"5 year old's touch sends on-loan sculpture crashing to floor. Kansas City bills parents 132K." LenaBaby61 Jun 2018 #135
We had a near drowning incident yesterday here in the Twin Cities MineralMan Jun 2018 #172
Things like that have always happened. Mariana Jun 2018 #244
The kid who accidentally breaks a window with a baseball treestar Jun 2018 #276
Better yet, a problem not securing a heavy object. nt USALiberal Jun 2018 #211
The object was easily accessible in a community center. yardwork Jun 2018 #269
This is the bottom line treestar Jun 2018 #277
That value was just the artist's pipe dream. He'd had it on sale for months and no one pnwmom Jun 2018 #410
It certainly has gained more attention getting broken treestar Jun 2018 #415
You break, you buy Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #30
Was this a store, museum or glass shop? jberryhill Jun 2018 #35
Like this Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #50
You are completely missing the relevant context jberryhill Jun 2018 #58
I read one police account where part of the sculpture did fall toward the kid, pnwmom Jun 2018 #351
Thank you. People are saying all sorts of weird stuff -- this art work was, as you say, Nay Jun 2018 #360
This may be the policy of a store, but it is not marybourg Jun 2018 #46
And if it goes to court I'm sure they will Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #61
When it is on display in the museum, does the museum have guards? jberryhill Jun 2018 #68
I've seen museums with no or minimal guards Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #83
I was asking you about the normal environment for THIS sculpture jberryhill Jun 2018 #84
None of that matters Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #96
Oh, it certainly does matter jberryhill Jun 2018 #100
I don't expect every child perfect- I expect Parents to take responsibility when they are not Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #106
Why not apply that to the Met? treestar Jun 2018 #188
I expect people who run facilities to take responsibility for keeping them safe. pnwmom Jun 2018 #412
Here's where your logic fails: marybourg Jun 2018 #130
Maybe that disagreement is part of the problem Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #148
I'm in my mid seventies, so my idea of marybourg Jun 2018 #171
If the parents can't supervise their child at a wedding, then the child shouldn't be at the wedding. meadowlander Jun 2018 #212
I recall being taken to weddings as a kid treestar Jun 2018 #225
the issue is where the parents negligent treestar Jun 2018 #189
Here, this will make you feel better jberryhill Jun 2018 #368
The child did not cause the damage... GReedDiamond Jun 2018 #185
The insurance company did uphold its responsibility fescuerescue Jun 2018 #386
Interesting. The glass statue was perched on a display column. The vid clearly Ninga Jun 2018 #36
Really people? Children can discrimate between a museum and a community center? Ninga Jun 2018 #44
No, but parents can jberryhill Jun 2018 #53
The "don't touch" lesson starts the minute kiddos start the 50 yard dash. Ninga Jun 2018 #73
had the child been killed or injured by the statue... jberryhill Jun 2018 #74
I don't know the answer to your question. There are plenty of examples of pieces that Ninga Jun 2018 #81
And what is the job of a manager of a public facility used for parties? jberryhill Jun 2018 #89
Reasonable assertion. Maybe the parents will argue that to a 50//50 settlement. Ninga Jun 2018 #101
This wasn't a museum. It was a community center where people were having a party. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #394
Fun with Torts, everyone's favorite class! elleng Jun 2018 #139
upclose it looks like all one piece. The bottom is her "skirt" Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #54
The "column" was part of the piece csziggy Jun 2018 #154
Does she really believe a "Do Not Touch" sign would have stopped her kid? sinkingfeeling Jun 2018 #38
Sign should read "Little Boys & Big Boys - Please Do Not Touch Bullet Breasts" womanofthehills Jun 2018 #158
If the artwork had been secured, it wouldn't have topped over. And it should have pnwmom Jun 2018 #405
I'll bet 50 bucks the family sues or is suing JenniferJuniper Jun 2018 #40
I was at an art museum not too long ago... yallerdawg Jun 2018 #43
Pay up, Mommy and Daddy. Aristus Jun 2018 #48
Yep. Because ya know the 5 year old thinks all public spaces are for his whims and fancy! Ninga Jun 2018 #55
Yes, a party is no place for fun jberryhill Jun 2018 #71
Man, hope none of these people have kids or grandkids womanofthehills Jun 2018 #165
use of term "ankle-biter" treestar Jun 2018 #190
Kids are awesome! Devil Child Jun 2018 #198
Many things in a community center CAN be touched. What seems obvious to an adult -- pnwmom Jun 2018 #411
As I noted in a previous post perhaps the parents might Ninga Jun 2018 #413
That might be the case IF the statue had been posted with a warning sign, pnwmom Jun 2018 #414
I hope the kid stays away from church Ninga Jun 2018 #416
A community center with a loud party going on, with alcohol being served, pnwmom Jun 2018 #429
For the most part, I expect parents to keep their eye on their kids. Fla Dem Jun 2018 #59
probably some of the little glass panels imbedded in the metal broke. sculpture not entirely destr Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #63
The artist would rather just have the $132K that no one was willing to pay him pnwmom Jun 2018 #438
I file subrogation cases for a living MaryMagdaline Jun 2018 #64
museum paid 89K Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #66
Parents' insurance company should offer 89k MaryMagdaline Jun 2018 #85
As he's only 5 and below the age of reason JenniferJuniper Jun 2018 #97
Yes and often case will settle because policy limits MaryMagdaline Jun 2018 #104
There are art pieces in our community centre. SECURED. EllieBC Jun 2018 #72
As they should be. Some of the adults here seem to lack common sense. pnwmom Jun 2018 #365
as a child I was taught to keep my hands off things that didn't belong to me. KG Jun 2018 #75
As an adult, were you taught not to place expensive hazardous items insecurely in party venues? jberryhill Jun 2018 #77
as an adult, I learned to laugh at idiotic replies like this one KG Jun 2018 #82
what is idiotic about expecting treestar Jun 2018 #193
Touche' Cha Jun 2018 #120
Some of these responses remind me of the saying "the older I get, the better I was" Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #145
When I broke stuff when I was a kid, my parents paid for it - no questions asked meadowlander Jun 2018 #250
How much stuff did you break as a kid. Just what was the total bill. What are we talking about here? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #263
Not that much, because my parents were generally supervising us. meadowlander Jun 2018 #299
Your parents might have made themselves treestar Jun 2018 #340
How do you know that is not happening to this kid? treestar Jun 2018 #278
Because Mom is on the news blaming everyone under the sun except herself and her kid. meadowlander Jun 2018 #300
You saw a heavily edited clip of less than one minute. Mariana Jun 2018 #336
I saw the clip here treestar Jun 2018 #341
were you taught this all in one day? treestar Jun 2018 #192
LOL, as an adult I learned to keep my mouth shut to comments like this. nt USALiberal Jun 2018 #279
There are many things in a community center that are perfectly fine to touch. pnwmom Jun 2018 #430
Her child was not supervised. She was distracted WhiteTara Jun 2018 #76
You kept your hands in your pockets or behind your back at wedding receptions? jberryhill Jun 2018 #78
Well, I was watched by lots of people at weddings since they WhiteTara Jun 2018 #136
Lock him up! H2O Man Jun 2018 #103
'Every responsible adult knows that children his age..." nini Jun 2018 #115
Bingo. Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #122
How it was displayed would be a bigger factor if she was close by and stopped him. nini Jun 2018 #129
It amazes me too. No wonder this country is so ***ked up workinclasszero Jun 2018 #143
Kids? Heck, look at the dumb ADULTS in Florida who decided to drive under an unfinished bridge! jberryhill Jun 2018 #371
Then shouldn't blind adults have supervision too? treestar Jun 2018 #196
hahahahahah You're kidding me. nini Jun 2018 #223
I'm responding to a post treestar Jun 2018 #229
If they try to climb statues and pull them down on to themselves, I guess... meadowlander Jun 2018 #235
There's a reasonable expectation treestar Jun 2018 #241
How are you to know that there are expensive art pieces? meadowlander Jun 2018 #245
It would be easy never to even notice it was there treestar Jun 2018 #272
What video did you watch? Moosepoop Jun 2018 #248
The video is sped up at least x3 or x10. You can see it in the way the other kid moves on the right meadowlander Jun 2018 #249
+1 and 50 pounds seems a bit much treestar Jun 2018 #280
Oh, contraire. Pay up parents. WhiteTara Jun 2018 #132
The boy is totally unsupervised left-of-center2012 Jun 2018 #86
The city buys insurance for a reason. The city also has an obligation to reasonably 33taw Jun 2018 #90
Actually, this is the one insurance company seeking to recover from the parent's insurance jberryhill Jun 2018 #116
If the falling statue had hurt the child climbing it, would attractive nuisance law apply? Freethinker65 Jun 2018 #91
No, if the child was killed by the falling statue, the parents should be punished jberryhill Jun 2018 #95
That DU trend is really amazing to me. Iggo Jun 2018 #114
Well if an obnoxious zoo patron forces their way into a tiger enclosure Devil Child Jun 2018 #155
No. On DU, people are okay if the tiger gets out jberryhill Jun 2018 #214
Let me rephrase then, if you deliberately antagonize an 800lb alpha predator Devil Child Jun 2018 #219
So, to be clear jberryhill Jun 2018 #358
Not comparable because there was no enclosure around this "art" pnwmom Jun 2018 #350
I remember the law professor saying kids are liable for their torts treestar Jun 2018 #197
I am in the camp that says the parents did not adequately supervise the child and should pay. Shrike47 Jun 2018 #94
Overland Park is a city over 150,000 folks. They can payl it should have been secured better. aikoaiko Jun 2018 #109
Interesting thread! True Dough Jun 2018 #113
I think that's because there is shared negligence here. JenniferJuniper Jun 2018 #121
It's a cautionary tale on Cha Jun 2018 #124
I love these types of DU threads. treestar Jun 2018 #226
Wedding reception? If the sculpture had fallen over and hurt the child, Ilsa Jun 2018 #119
Hard for me to say here who is really at fault. logosoco Jun 2018 #125
I feel there is shared liability among all parties. Yonnie3 Jun 2018 #127
I feel sorry for the kid workinclasszero Jun 2018 #128
A couple of things Bettie Jun 2018 #131
+1000! mcar Jun 2018 #168
It's obviously a sculpture riverwalker Jun 2018 #134
It wouldn't obviously be a sculpture to a young child. It could be a toy. A large doll. pnwmom Jun 2018 #395
You can bill people for destroying their stuff? Man, we better hope Iraq, Guatemala, El Salvador, ck4829 Jun 2018 #140
I see why the statue may have been attractive to a small child. haele Jun 2018 #146
Agreed - plus this is like a cement climbing structure with big breasts - womanofthehills Jun 2018 #167
Parental failure Devil Child Jun 2018 #147
SMH Skidmore Jun 2018 #150
Du can focus on many topics. Many threads on the border children Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #157
Hah! GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #166
Oh c'mon..DU parenting wars are always epic nini Jun 2018 #224
As much as people want to debate the appropriateness avebury Jun 2018 #163
What is the point of insurance? Rorey Jun 2018 #169
Yep, that about covers it Bettie Jun 2018 #384
It is a wonder d_r Jun 2018 #170
Museums do not routinely charge patrons for negligent damages marylandblue Jun 2018 #180
This is BS!! benld74 Jun 2018 #183
True, true, true. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #207
yep Locrian Jun 2018 #258
Reminds me of my mother-in-law Rorey Jun 2018 #392
He didn't "touch" it. He grappled it. Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #194
Then when he becomes a teen, he can do this WhiteTara Jun 2018 #199
How dare you blame that child! Devil Child Jun 2018 #203
I hope the courts fine them and make WhiteTara Jun 2018 #218
They should sue the community center for negligence... cbdo2007 Jun 2018 #200
Yes the dimwits here treestar Jun 2018 #227
It will be a war between the insurance companies. kwassa Jun 2018 #204
My take on it is that the mother was at fault. LiberalFighter Jun 2018 #205
Distraction comes with a $132,000 price tag, perhaps you will not be beachbum bob Jun 2018 #208
This thing had been for sale with NO TAKERS. The price tag was a WISH by the artist, pnwmom Jun 2018 #314
Imagine this. Two adults are talking. One has her back... LAS14 Jun 2018 #209
The kid didn't jump back and accidentally knock over the sculpture. meadowlander Jun 2018 #220
My point is that the sculpture was improperly displayed. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #221
Negligence causes accidents treestar Jun 2018 #230
This is common sense. liberalmuse Jun 2018 #215
This is ENTIRELY on the Community Center Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #217
The parents should hire an attorney mokawanis Jun 2018 #222
OK, I'll say it... MountCleaners Jun 2018 #231
California law limits a parent's liability to $25,000 LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #233
That's good information FakeNoose Jun 2018 #240
If the kid had torched that thing with an Elon Musk flamethrower, I'd still be on his side kcr Jun 2018 #238
Ahem, you mean, NOT-A-Flamethrower Nonhlanhla Jun 2018 #254
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What my parents would have done MFM008 Jun 2018 #253
I know exactly what you are talking about workinclasszero Jun 2018 #259
Which respondents are parents, and which not? LAS14 Jun 2018 #257
I have to wonder how many of the people railing on the parents Mariana Jun 2018 #268
A few I think were disciplined as kids treestar Jun 2018 #282
Parent here. My take is, my wife and I carefully scrutinize where we take our youngest who is 3 stevenleser Jun 2018 #325
Which respondents are insurance company employees jberryhill Jun 2018 #372
I can see there being comparative negligence but the parents are mostly at fault here dsc Jun 2018 #261
I wouldn't call him unsupervised treestar Jun 2018 #284
she was in neither ear or eye shot dsc Jun 2018 #296
Do you let them go to the bathroom occasionally unsupervised??? nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #297
He would have been in either pre school or kindergarden given his age dsc Jun 2018 #302
Please see my reply 306. LAS14 Jun 2018 #307
Not kindergarteners. meadowlander Jun 2018 #304
My second day in kindergarten I walked the three blocks... LAS14 Jun 2018 #306
It might be reasonable for teacher of a class treestar Jun 2018 #342
How do you know what she could hear, around the corner, in a noisy crowd of partygoers? pnwmom Jun 2018 #364
because neither parent ran into the room when the sculpture fell dsc Jun 2018 #367
The mother briefly turned her back on the child while she said goodbye to the family pnwmom Jun 2018 #356
from the video dsc Jun 2018 #357
Well stated. I can't believe the unrealistic views of what life is like in this thread. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #361
I would suggest this GreatCaesarsGhost Jun 2018 #283
What ever happened to "Touch with your eyes, but not with your hands"? Emilio Mola Jun 2018 #298
And your kids have never taken a little initiative and done something contrary to rules???? nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #309
This was a community center. How would the child know this was ART, not a TOY? pnwmom Jun 2018 #324
I feel for everyone involved BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #305
Point of order: That was more than a "touch." Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #310
Doesn't matter. A kid could deliberately jump in a neighbor's pool pnwmom Jun 2018 #348
I am disturbed by the cild-blaming on this thread. cvoogt Jun 2018 #311
Me, too. I hope the parents find a good lawyer who puts this case away quickly. pnwmom Jun 2018 #326
Yup cvoogt Jun 2018 #345
You know, most people don't really remember being five years old. Mariana Jun 2018 #337
And some of them were probably abused and have internalized it. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #346
That may be part of it cvoogt Jun 2018 #347
we are not blaming the child we are blaming his parents dsc Jun 2018 #369
This thing was an "attractive nuisance," a hazard in a COMMUNITY CENTER, not an art museum. pnwmom Jun 2018 #315
If the child had been crushed to death, DUers would laugh and award a "Darwin" jberryhill Jun 2018 #359
I doubt that they could have been part of discussions pnwmom Jun 2018 #363
If it does not belong to you DON'T TOUCH IT. appleannie1943 Jun 2018 #328
This was a community center during a wedding reception and the mother was saying goodbye pnwmom Jun 2018 #329
Well, I guess it doesn't count if it's only "art"... brooklynite Jun 2018 #396
Whether it was art or not, it was an unsecured hazard located in a place pnwmom Jun 2018 #397
Kids are naturally curious. cvoogt Jun 2018 #349
One of mine is special needs. He is 53 with the mental age of 9. Even he learned you can look but appleannie1943 Jun 2018 #383
I know some cvoogt Jun 2018 #387
Apparently this is a very new phenomenon. Mariana Jun 2018 #391
I know! And in generations past, mothers of 7 children could keep their eyes on pnwmom Jun 2018 #408
I refuse to believe that none of your kids ever touched anything they shouldn't have touched pnwmom Jun 2018 #400
In 2014 a 2-year-old was killed by a statue in SF cvoogt Jun 2018 #366
That story is just horrifying. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #398
Offsetting penalties: parents should be more watchful, but museums should expect these incidents. VOX Jun 2018 #375
This place is neither a museum or a gallery. Mariana Jun 2018 #385
Typical Insurance Company dirt bag move. nt Trek4Truth Jun 2018 #377
It's not like the kid voted for Trump. Fuck people's bullshit. fleabiscuit Jun 2018 #378
Were there any warning signs not to touch the sculpture? I don't think this is an open and shut still_one Jun 2018 #379
No. No sign, and it wasn't secured in place, and it wasn't roped or cordoned off. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #399
The outcome of this will be interesting. still_one Jun 2018 #402
The center Meowmee Jun 2018 #380
I don't get art. betsuni Jun 2018 #382
Headline should be about the insurance company trying to avoid it's responsibility TeamPooka Jun 2018 #424
It was neglegent of the City to put that artwork on display in a community center ashling Jun 2018 #427
and a hug from a kid separates the top from the bottom? artist should have cemented Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #441
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