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428. That's still the law in Kansas based on a quick Lexis search.

Mon Jun 18, 2018, 06:52 PM

Jun 2018

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I'll post the case when I get home.

Too lazy to do a thorough search to see if anything has changed since 1995. The name of the case is Mozier v. Parsons for anyone who can't access Lexis.

https://advance.lexis.com/document/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=47ab9084-88c7-4487-ba37-74fb79b08a57&pddocfullpath=%2Fshared%2Fdocument%2Fcases%2Furn%3AcontentItem%3A3RX4-32C0-003F-D10K-00000-00&pddocid=urn%3AcontentItem%3A3RX4-32C0-003F-D10K-00000-00&pdcontentcomponentid=6805&pdshepid=urn%3AcontentItem%3A7XWP-RXH1-2NSD-K0TM-00000-00&pdteaserkey=sr1&pditab=allpods&ecomp=Lfmfk&earg=sr1&prid=079df316-e894-44f5-b43d-ed18e7b8e18b

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5 year old's touch sends on-loan sculpture crashing to floor. Kansas City bills parents 132K [View all] Demovictory9 Jun 2018 OP

You broke it, you bought it Takket Jun 2018 #1

I surely grew up with this. My parents drilled it into my sister & I from the moment we could walk hlthe2b Jun 2018 #8

++1 I grew up with this and passed it on to mine lunasun Jun 2018 #112

I hear you ... it was the same in my family FakeNoose Jun 2018 #239

This is about an insurance company seeking to evade its responsibilities jberryhill Jun 2018 #18

You are right exboyfil Jun 2018 #93

Yes. hunter Jun 2018 #111

Yes! rusty fender Jun 2018 #141

I agree EffieBlack Jun 2018 #151

It wasn't an attractive nuisance. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #420

At older common law it had to lure the kid, but treestar Jun 2018 #426

That's still the law in Kansas based on a quick Lexis search. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #428

Completely agree. Rorey Jun 2018 #160

Agree. If you are in an art museum treestar Jun 2018 #173

This is a community center. Hangingon Jun 2018 #308

Precisely. Yes, the kid should not have been unsupervised, but the sculpture should tblue37 Jun 2018 #264

Did you watch the video? I was alomst with you until I watched it. bitterross Jun 2018 #312

Remember that the video has been edited. Mariana Jun 2018 #319

Her attitude was quite clear with or without editing bitterross Jun 2018 #323

You saw about 45 seconds of "her attitude". Mariana Jun 2018 #327

Legally her attitude does not really matter treestar Jun 2018 #338

It WAS someone else's fault. It was the fault of the people who failed to secure the statue, pnwmom Jun 2018 #407

No, it was bad parenting. How do you secure the glass sculpture. bitterross Jun 2018 #431

Yes, it was. It was a large open space filled with people, and the child was just around the corner. pnwmom Jun 2018 #432

It was not filled with people in the video at all. bitterross Jun 2018 #433

It disgusts me that some people don't think the government facility is responsible pnwmom Jun 2018 #436

A Plexiglass surround that was tall enough would have worked. Lars39 Jun 2018 #437

Because every community center has the funds to do everything bitterross Jun 2018 #439

It's about the ins. co. recovering damages so they don't have to raise your rates. bitterross Jun 2018 #434

The facility failed to properly secure the work at a venue used for parties jberryhill Jun 2018 #435

looks like little glass panels within metal. artist should help fix it Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #56

The artist said it took him 2 years to create DesertRat Jun 2018 #255

He's going to have money taken out of his allowance for a looooooooooong time... backscatter712 Jun 2018 #195

Aren't museums supposed to insure the exhibits? (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #2

It was insured. The insurance company is going after the family. comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #5

It was insured. The insurance company is seeking reimbursement The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #7

Yes, so are community centers where this occurred. nt WePurrsevere Jun 2018 #70

Children should be closely supervised mythology Jun 2018 #3

"If your brat just broke something you obviously weren't supervising them well enough." Cha Jun 2018 #107

I'm insulting his idiot parents mythology Jun 2018 #178

That teaching is a process treestar Jun 2018 #184

The child deserves a public commendation jberryhill Jun 2018 #216

The child and his parents deserve to pay for the sculpture. bitterross Jun 2018 #313

You're taking your outrage out on the little boy by Cha Jun 2018 #234

Such horrible comments...I would file for bankruptcy if there was a judgement Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #252

They have a lawyer; they will. nt tblue37 Jun 2018 #301

They should. Lucky the kids wasn't hurt. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #332

Actually, didn't she say he was a bit scraped up? nt tblue37 Jun 2018 #343

I hope they get plenty...dangerous... Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #344

Yeah, well, according to some of the posters here Mariana Jun 2018 #321

People are so judgemental. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #330

Bullshit. Adrahil Jun 2018 #126

"Kids are kids, and they sometimes make mistakes." workinclasszero Jun 2018 #133

It should have been behind glass if it was that valuable Rorey Jun 2018 #164

+1 treestar Jun 2018 #176

agreed. The sculpture in the comm center was like leaving fancy tea cups on the edge of counter Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #440

good analogy! treestar Jun 2018 #442

Lots of adults do exactly that sort of thing, PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2018 #174

Your use of "brat" says everything. nolabear Jun 2018 #144

Yes treestar Jun 2018 #177

Yes, but apparently some DUers never put a foot wrong Mariana Jun 2018 #243

Plus their parents were these absolute martinets treestar Jun 2018 #273

Yes, they were never out of their parents' sight for a single minute. Mariana Jun 2018 #292

It's a community center mcar Jun 2018 #161

An adult could have treestar Jun 2018 #175

The child should receive a public commendation jberryhill Jun 2018 #201

Exactly. And how was a child supposed to know that thing was supposed to be pnwmom Jun 2018 #318

LOL, nice attitude. Sarcasm I assume. nt USALiberal Jun 2018 #210

"Brat" Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #213

Here, this story will warm your heart jberryhill Jun 2018 #362

Looks like the parents were negligent in supervising the child. comradebillyboy Jun 2018 #4

Maybe they should have secured it better B2G Jun 2018 #6

top heavy glass sculpture on little pedestal in community center...what can go wrong? Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #9

Yup. I think if anyone is sued, it should be the community center for... LAS14 Jun 2018 #13

No kidding. And displaying at a venue B2G Jun 2018 #15

Exactly. Cha Jun 2018 #108

Sculpture of woman with big pointy bullet breasts - and little boys - what could go wrong???? womanofthehills Jun 2018 #149

How do you know it's top-heavy? Looks like it could have a fairly heavy base to me ... mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #181

The pedestal was part of it sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #271

Right and why so low to the floor??? bluestarone Jun 2018 #10

museum loan department should have helped them secure it. they would have had the expertise Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #17

But nobody could expect a community center used for parties to have children in it jberryhill Jun 2018 #37

If it was that fragile... we would have rejected it. Zoonart Jun 2018 #88

I agree with you. Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #159

Thanks for that perspective. Kansas City has a very wealthy arts community last I knew. yardwork Jun 2018 #266

Thanks for the information. I also was a board member, but not of a community center, pnwmom Jun 2018 #352

Yep. Zoonart Jun 2018 #355

YOU? YOU'RE THE ONE! jberryhill Jun 2018 #370

You found me. Zoonart Jun 2018 #373

Put me on the jury. I would not expect that type of display in a museum. Lochloosa Jun 2018 #19

They're proving that Idiot's don't know how to "Idiot Proof" a sculpture! dubyadiprecession Jun 2018 #29

looking at it... maybe they thought sculpture was all one piece. The top would not separate from Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #47

But what could go wrong in a community center rented for parties? jberryhill Jun 2018 #32

Parties where people drink alcohol. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #353

Possibly and I'd be more than willing to agree if this were a exhibit promoted for children. hlthe2b Jun 2018 #33

Not an exhibit mcar Jun 2018 #162

I was taught the same thing kcr Jun 2018 #247

It was not an exhibit, it was a COMMUNITY CENTER promoted for families with children. pnwmom Jun 2018 #409

No kidding! n/t demmiblue Jun 2018 #52

This. Iggo Jun 2018 #99

Yep. This is going to backfire on them big time. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #142

Really looking forward to some of the self-righteous posts that will show up in this thread. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2018 #11

Thanks for being among the first. JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2018 #206

I wonder if "local artist Bill Lyons" has ever sold a piece for anything remotely close to $132K? Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2018 #12

I hope some reporter digs into that bit of the story. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #16

lol Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #22

I think there ought to be one or more outside appraisers brought in to determine the value... n/t hlthe2b Jun 2018 #41

Fine, as long as they're trying to determine whether the artist or the community center pnwmom Jun 2018 #354

upclose picture of the sculpture at his website Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #42

It sucks. Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #320

oops (replied to wrong post) deleted hlthe2b Jun 2018 #45

Good point, a piece of art is worth whatever an artist can sell it for. Bluepinky Jun 2018 #153

I have loaned art works to a couple of art museums... GReedDiamond Jun 2018 #182

And this thing had sat there for sale for two months with zero takers. pnwmom Jun 2018 #333

Here's a fix for under 30 bucks Revanchist Jun 2018 #14

My mother used one on me.... but not when I was 5. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #23

now they look like kid is wearing a backpack Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #34

This was a community center which is rented for wedding receptions jberryhill Jun 2018 #24

You've done it now... I made that suggestion to parents going through chaotic international hlthe2b Jun 2018 #51

Concern ass asked me why one of mine was on a leash. answer - to protect her! They walked away lunasun Jun 2018 #123

At a wedding reception? crazycatlady Jun 2018 #152

Omg! Lotusflower70 Jun 2018 #202

I had one for my son all american girl Jun 2018 #303

At a wedding? John Fante Jun 2018 #228

That wouldn't fix anything. The mother had turned her back on the boy pnwmom Jun 2018 #331

I watched the video. I didn't see any adult supervising the kid. irisblue Jun 2018 #20

The parents were there, just out of the frame. B2G Jun 2018 #28

She says in the OP video she was "around the corner". tammywammy Jun 2018 #60

I held the nephews & nieces hands when we were in public, when they were that young. irisblue Jun 2018 #79

You held their hands through wedding receptions? jberryhill Jun 2018 #80

Actually, B/C I didn't see the under 7yr old kids as much, irisblue Jun 2018 #117

This GoneOffShore Jun 2018 #260

I saw the video this morning. MineralMan Jun 2018 #21

Right, life might happen if we let our children out of our total control. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #25

it wasn't a museum, it was a community center that rented itself for weddings apparently Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #26

"in places where expensive things can be easily broken" jberryhill Jun 2018 #27

Doesn't matter Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #39

It most certainly DOES matter jberryhill Jun 2018 #49

Stupid analogy Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #57

A community center used for parties is an absurd example jberryhill Jun 2018 #62

They can argue that in court Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #65

It was on loan from a museum jberryhill Jun 2018 #69

Not all museums have guards Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #87

I did not ask you about all museums jberryhill Jun 2018 #92

And had any of them broken the piece they also would be responsible Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #98

The child was injured jberryhill Jun 2018 #105

Parents let the kid run unsupervised Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #110

a cake is not worth 132K though treestar Jun 2018 #186

Neither was that piece of art. It had been on sale for months at that price, with no takers. pnwmom Jun 2018 #404

Haven't you ever heard the term "attractive nuisance"? pnwmom Jun 2018 #335

What were the injuries ? MichMan Jun 2018 #118

Even the cheapest junk IKEA furniture has straps meant to secure it to the wall to prevent tipping. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2018 #156

The only questionable analogy I saw was you comparing John Fante Jun 2018 #232

You don't get it. This thing, to a child, looks more like a toy -- a large doll -- pnwmom Jun 2018 #334

Last Thanksgiving, a young child of guest used my towel bars to do chin ups, leaving a 18 inch hole hlthe2b Jun 2018 #67

I'm not understanding completely RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #187

They paid nothing...offering to pay only $20-$30 that they suggested it would take to repair hlthe2b Jun 2018 #191

Ugh RhodeIslandOne Jun 2018 #236

it should have read "ultimately I bore the cost"... typed too fast, I guess hlthe2b Jun 2018 #237

You don't think there's a difference between a common towel bar fixed to a wall kcr Jun 2018 #246

i think there is a lot of similarity hlthe2b Jun 2018 #256

It's not just about whether parents are responsible for their children kcr Jun 2018 #262

Parents who allow their chldren to climb up and hang on a pedestal unwatched are IRRESPONSIBLE hlthe2b Jun 2018 #265

It's clear you were triggered kcr Jun 2018 #267

Triggered by those who would argue parents don't have to be responsible for hlthe2b Jun 2018 #270

No matter how well raised a child, they will treestar Jun 2018 #275

Of course. I never argued to the contrary. I made restitution for the mistakes made by both hlthe2b Jun 2018 #281

I would expect that, but if the child is as young as 5 treestar Jun 2018 #285

Children as young as five are old enough to learn basic concepts of behavior & consequences. hlthe2b Jun 2018 #287

This child probably did learn something treestar Jun 2018 #289

and the child should not have been left unattended unsupervised. SHARED responsibillity hlthe2b Jun 2018 #291

I don't see him as unsupervised and unattended treestar Jun 2018 #293

I was recently in a car accident where I was not hurt treestar Jun 2018 #274

They are likewise taught responsibillity or IRRESPONSIBILITY by the model set by parents hlthe2b Jun 2018 #286

At what age? treestar Jun 2018 #288

we are talking about parents. hlthe2b Jun 2018 #290

No responsibility is not the same as treestar Jun 2018 #294

It is when you are suggesting the parents take NO responsbility. I said SHARED hlthe2b Jun 2018 #295

It is conceivable treestar Jun 2018 #339

The major mistake was made by the adults, who failed to secure the statue properly, pnwmom Jun 2018 #406

People who put attractive nuisances in community centers should be responsible pnwmom Jun 2018 #317

The parents are supposed to keep their kids in leg irons or something Mariana Jun 2018 #322

Maybe the Hannibal Lechter rig Bettie Jun 2018 #374

Nice try with the misused legal term. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #376

It was an attractive nuisance. It attracted the child, pnwmom Jun 2018 #381

No it wasn't. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #388

There is a lawyer on this page who is also arguing that the facility pnwmom Jun 2018 #389

Well point me to whatever theory he/she is basing that on. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #390

There are actually at least 2 lawyers arguing on the side of the mother. pnwmom Jun 2018 #393

Well that lawyer apparently knows about as much as you do about torts. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #401

You should tell her so. I'll watch. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #403

While I see the distinction that he was not a trespasser and the invitee standards would apply treestar Jun 2018 #422

You can't sue for merely having an attractive nuisance. SomethingNew Jun 2018 #425

a lawyer could certainly argue that it is an attractive nuisance treestar Jun 2018 #419

Ignoring the (still) wrong definition of an attractive nuisance, SomethingNew Jun 2018 #421

Wouldn't it infer the owner's negligence treestar Jun 2018 #423

According to the Restatement of Torts, Section 339 treestar Jun 2018 #417

You skipped right over the word "trespass." SomethingNew Jun 2018 #418

Would you install an expensive, fragile item, Cracklin Charlie Jun 2018 #137

the site is responsible for securing items dawg day Jun 2018 #179

How would a child know this is a piece of art and not a climbing toy? It's in a community center, pnwmom Jun 2018 #316

The parents were there. B2G Jun 2018 #31

Sorry Mom nini Jun 2018 #102

"5 year old's touch sends on-loan sculpture crashing to floor. Kansas City bills parents 132K." LenaBaby61 Jun 2018 #135

We had a near drowning incident yesterday here in the Twin Cities MineralMan Jun 2018 #172

Things like that have always happened. Mariana Jun 2018 #244

The kid who accidentally breaks a window with a baseball treestar Jun 2018 #276

Better yet, a problem not securing a heavy object. nt USALiberal Jun 2018 #211

The object was easily accessible in a community center. yardwork Jun 2018 #269

This is the bottom line treestar Jun 2018 #277

That value was just the artist's pipe dream. He'd had it on sale for months and no one pnwmom Jun 2018 #410

It certainly has gained more attention getting broken treestar Jun 2018 #415

You break, you buy Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #30

Was this a store, museum or glass shop? jberryhill Jun 2018 #35

Like this Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #50

You are completely missing the relevant context jberryhill Jun 2018 #58

I read one police account where part of the sculpture did fall toward the kid, pnwmom Jun 2018 #351

Thank you. People are saying all sorts of weird stuff -- this art work was, as you say, Nay Jun 2018 #360

This may be the policy of a store, but it is not marybourg Jun 2018 #46

And if it goes to court I'm sure they will Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #61

When it is on display in the museum, does the museum have guards? jberryhill Jun 2018 #68

I've seen museums with no or minimal guards Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #83

I was asking you about the normal environment for THIS sculpture jberryhill Jun 2018 #84

None of that matters Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #96

Oh, it certainly does matter jberryhill Jun 2018 #100

I don't expect every child perfect- I expect Parents to take responsibility when they are not Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #106

Why not apply that to the Met? treestar Jun 2018 #188

I expect people who run facilities to take responsibility for keeping them safe. pnwmom Jun 2018 #412

Here's where your logic fails: marybourg Jun 2018 #130

Maybe that disagreement is part of the problem Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #148

I'm in my mid seventies, so my idea of marybourg Jun 2018 #171

If the parents can't supervise their child at a wedding, then the child shouldn't be at the wedding. meadowlander Jun 2018 #212

I recall being taken to weddings as a kid treestar Jun 2018 #225

the issue is where the parents negligent treestar Jun 2018 #189

Here, this will make you feel better jberryhill Jun 2018 #368

The child did not cause the damage... GReedDiamond Jun 2018 #185

The insurance company did uphold its responsibility fescuerescue Jun 2018 #386

Interesting. The glass statue was perched on a display column. The vid clearly Ninga Jun 2018 #36

Really people? Children can discrimate between a museum and a community center? Ninga Jun 2018 #44

No, but parents can jberryhill Jun 2018 #53

The "don't touch" lesson starts the minute kiddos start the 50 yard dash. Ninga Jun 2018 #73

had the child been killed or injured by the statue... jberryhill Jun 2018 #74

I don't know the answer to your question. There are plenty of examples of pieces that Ninga Jun 2018 #81

And what is the job of a manager of a public facility used for parties? jberryhill Jun 2018 #89

Reasonable assertion. Maybe the parents will argue that to a 50//50 settlement. Ninga Jun 2018 #101

This wasn't a museum. It was a community center where people were having a party. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #394

Fun with Torts, everyone's favorite class! elleng Jun 2018 #139

upclose it looks like all one piece. The bottom is her "skirt" Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #54

The "column" was part of the piece csziggy Jun 2018 #154

Does she really believe a "Do Not Touch" sign would have stopped her kid? sinkingfeeling Jun 2018 #38

Sign should read "Little Boys & Big Boys - Please Do Not Touch Bullet Breasts" womanofthehills Jun 2018 #158

If the artwork had been secured, it wouldn't have topped over. And it should have pnwmom Jun 2018 #405

I'll bet 50 bucks the family sues or is suing JenniferJuniper Jun 2018 #40

I was at an art museum not too long ago... yallerdawg Jun 2018 #43

Pay up, Mommy and Daddy. Aristus Jun 2018 #48

Yep. Because ya know the 5 year old thinks all public spaces are for his whims and fancy! Ninga Jun 2018 #55

Yes, a party is no place for fun jberryhill Jun 2018 #71

Man, hope none of these people have kids or grandkids womanofthehills Jun 2018 #165

use of term "ankle-biter" treestar Jun 2018 #190

Kids are awesome! Devil Child Jun 2018 #198

Many things in a community center CAN be touched. What seems obvious to an adult -- pnwmom Jun 2018 #411

As I noted in a previous post perhaps the parents might Ninga Jun 2018 #413

That might be the case IF the statue had been posted with a warning sign, pnwmom Jun 2018 #414

I hope the kid stays away from church Ninga Jun 2018 #416

A community center with a loud party going on, with alcohol being served, pnwmom Jun 2018 #429

For the most part, I expect parents to keep their eye on their kids. Fla Dem Jun 2018 #59

probably some of the little glass panels imbedded in the metal broke. sculpture not entirely destr Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #63

The artist would rather just have the $132K that no one was willing to pay him pnwmom Jun 2018 #438

I file subrogation cases for a living MaryMagdaline Jun 2018 #64

museum paid 89K Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #66

Parents' insurance company should offer 89k MaryMagdaline Jun 2018 #85

As he's only 5 and below the age of reason JenniferJuniper Jun 2018 #97

Yes and often case will settle because policy limits MaryMagdaline Jun 2018 #104

There are art pieces in our community centre. SECURED. EllieBC Jun 2018 #72

As they should be. Some of the adults here seem to lack common sense. pnwmom Jun 2018 #365

as a child I was taught to keep my hands off things that didn't belong to me. KG Jun 2018 #75

As an adult, were you taught not to place expensive hazardous items insecurely in party venues? jberryhill Jun 2018 #77

as an adult, I learned to laugh at idiotic replies like this one KG Jun 2018 #82

what is idiotic about expecting treestar Jun 2018 #193

Touche' Cha Jun 2018 #120

Some of these responses remind me of the saying "the older I get, the better I was" Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #145

When I broke stuff when I was a kid, my parents paid for it - no questions asked meadowlander Jun 2018 #250

How much stuff did you break as a kid. Just what was the total bill. What are we talking about here? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #263

Not that much, because my parents were generally supervising us. meadowlander Jun 2018 #299

Your parents might have made themselves treestar Jun 2018 #340

How do you know that is not happening to this kid? treestar Jun 2018 #278

Because Mom is on the news blaming everyone under the sun except herself and her kid. meadowlander Jun 2018 #300

You saw a heavily edited clip of less than one minute. Mariana Jun 2018 #336

I saw the clip here treestar Jun 2018 #341

were you taught this all in one day? treestar Jun 2018 #192

LOL, as an adult I learned to keep my mouth shut to comments like this. nt USALiberal Jun 2018 #279

There are many things in a community center that are perfectly fine to touch. pnwmom Jun 2018 #430

Her child was not supervised. She was distracted WhiteTara Jun 2018 #76

You kept your hands in your pockets or behind your back at wedding receptions? jberryhill Jun 2018 #78

Well, I was watched by lots of people at weddings since they WhiteTara Jun 2018 #136

Lock him up! H2O Man Jun 2018 #103

'Every responsible adult knows that children his age..." nini Jun 2018 #115

Bingo. Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #122

How it was displayed would be a bigger factor if she was close by and stopped him. nini Jun 2018 #129

It amazes me too. No wonder this country is so ***ked up workinclasszero Jun 2018 #143

Kids? Heck, look at the dumb ADULTS in Florida who decided to drive under an unfinished bridge! jberryhill Jun 2018 #371

Then shouldn't blind adults have supervision too? treestar Jun 2018 #196

hahahahahah You're kidding me. nini Jun 2018 #223

I'm responding to a post treestar Jun 2018 #229

If they try to climb statues and pull them down on to themselves, I guess... meadowlander Jun 2018 #235

There's a reasonable expectation treestar Jun 2018 #241

How are you to know that there are expensive art pieces? meadowlander Jun 2018 #245

It would be easy never to even notice it was there treestar Jun 2018 #272

What video did you watch? Moosepoop Jun 2018 #248

The video is sped up at least x3 or x10. You can see it in the way the other kid moves on the right meadowlander Jun 2018 #249

+1 and 50 pounds seems a bit much treestar Jun 2018 #280

Oh, contraire. Pay up parents. WhiteTara Jun 2018 #132

The boy is totally unsupervised left-of-center2012 Jun 2018 #86

The city buys insurance for a reason. The city also has an obligation to reasonably 33taw Jun 2018 #90

Actually, this is the one insurance company seeking to recover from the parent's insurance jberryhill Jun 2018 #116

If the falling statue had hurt the child climbing it, would attractive nuisance law apply? Freethinker65 Jun 2018 #91

No, if the child was killed by the falling statue, the parents should be punished jberryhill Jun 2018 #95

That DU trend is really amazing to me. Iggo Jun 2018 #114

Well if an obnoxious zoo patron forces their way into a tiger enclosure Devil Child Jun 2018 #155

No. On DU, people are okay if the tiger gets out jberryhill Jun 2018 #214

Let me rephrase then, if you deliberately antagonize an 800lb alpha predator Devil Child Jun 2018 #219

So, to be clear jberryhill Jun 2018 #358

Not comparable because there was no enclosure around this "art" pnwmom Jun 2018 #350

I remember the law professor saying kids are liable for their torts treestar Jun 2018 #197

I am in the camp that says the parents did not adequately supervise the child and should pay. Shrike47 Jun 2018 #94

Overland Park is a city over 150,000 folks. They can payl it should have been secured better. aikoaiko Jun 2018 #109

Interesting thread! True Dough Jun 2018 #113

I think that's because there is shared negligence here. JenniferJuniper Jun 2018 #121

It's a cautionary tale on Cha Jun 2018 #124

I love these types of DU threads. treestar Jun 2018 #226

Wedding reception? If the sculpture had fallen over and hurt the child, Ilsa Jun 2018 #119

Hard for me to say here who is really at fault. logosoco Jun 2018 #125

I feel there is shared liability among all parties. Yonnie3 Jun 2018 #127

I feel sorry for the kid workinclasszero Jun 2018 #128

A couple of things Bettie Jun 2018 #131

+1000! mcar Jun 2018 #168

It's obviously a sculpture riverwalker Jun 2018 #134

It wouldn't obviously be a sculpture to a young child. It could be a toy. A large doll. pnwmom Jun 2018 #395

You can bill people for destroying their stuff? Man, we better hope Iraq, Guatemala, El Salvador, ck4829 Jun 2018 #140

I see why the statue may have been attractive to a small child. haele Jun 2018 #146

Agreed - plus this is like a cement climbing structure with big breasts - womanofthehills Jun 2018 #167

Parental failure Devil Child Jun 2018 #147

SMH Skidmore Jun 2018 #150

Du can focus on many topics. Many threads on the border children Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #157

Hah! GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #166

Oh c'mon..DU parenting wars are always epic nini Jun 2018 #224

As much as people want to debate the appropriateness avebury Jun 2018 #163

What is the point of insurance? Rorey Jun 2018 #169

Yep, that about covers it Bettie Jun 2018 #384

It is a wonder d_r Jun 2018 #170

Museums do not routinely charge patrons for negligent damages marylandblue Jun 2018 #180

This is BS!! benld74 Jun 2018 #183

True, true, true. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #207

yep Locrian Jun 2018 #258

Reminds me of my mother-in-law Rorey Jun 2018 #392

He didn't "touch" it. He grappled it. Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #194

Then when he becomes a teen, he can do this WhiteTara Jun 2018 #199

How dare you blame that child! Devil Child Jun 2018 #203

I hope the courts fine them and make WhiteTara Jun 2018 #218

They should sue the community center for negligence... cbdo2007 Jun 2018 #200

Yes the dimwits here treestar Jun 2018 #227

It will be a war between the insurance companies. kwassa Jun 2018 #204

My take on it is that the mother was at fault. LiberalFighter Jun 2018 #205

Distraction comes with a $132,000 price tag, perhaps you will not be beachbum bob Jun 2018 #208

This thing had been for sale with NO TAKERS. The price tag was a WISH by the artist, pnwmom Jun 2018 #314

Imagine this. Two adults are talking. One has her back... LAS14 Jun 2018 #209

The kid didn't jump back and accidentally knock over the sculpture. meadowlander Jun 2018 #220

My point is that the sculpture was improperly displayed. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #221

Negligence causes accidents treestar Jun 2018 #230

This is common sense. liberalmuse Jun 2018 #215

This is ENTIRELY on the Community Center Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #217

The parents should hire an attorney mokawanis Jun 2018 #222

OK, I'll say it... MountCleaners Jun 2018 #231

California law limits a parent's liability to $25,000 LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #233

That's good information FakeNoose Jun 2018 #240

If the kid had torched that thing with an Elon Musk flamethrower, I'd still be on his side kcr Jun 2018 #238

Ahem, you mean, NOT-A-Flamethrower Nonhlanhla Jun 2018 #254

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What my parents would have done MFM008 Jun 2018 #253

I know exactly what you are talking about workinclasszero Jun 2018 #259

Which respondents are parents, and which not? LAS14 Jun 2018 #257

I have to wonder how many of the people railing on the parents Mariana Jun 2018 #268

A few I think were disciplined as kids treestar Jun 2018 #282

Parent here. My take is, my wife and I carefully scrutinize where we take our youngest who is 3 stevenleser Jun 2018 #325

Which respondents are insurance company employees jberryhill Jun 2018 #372

I can see there being comparative negligence but the parents are mostly at fault here dsc Jun 2018 #261

I wouldn't call him unsupervised treestar Jun 2018 #284

she was in neither ear or eye shot dsc Jun 2018 #296

Do you let them go to the bathroom occasionally unsupervised??? nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #297

He would have been in either pre school or kindergarden given his age dsc Jun 2018 #302

Please see my reply 306. LAS14 Jun 2018 #307

Not kindergarteners. meadowlander Jun 2018 #304

My second day in kindergarten I walked the three blocks... LAS14 Jun 2018 #306

It might be reasonable for teacher of a class treestar Jun 2018 #342

How do you know what she could hear, around the corner, in a noisy crowd of partygoers? pnwmom Jun 2018 #364

because neither parent ran into the room when the sculpture fell dsc Jun 2018 #367

The mother briefly turned her back on the child while she said goodbye to the family pnwmom Jun 2018 #356

from the video dsc Jun 2018 #357

Well stated. I can't believe the unrealistic views of what life is like in this thread. nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #361

I would suggest this GreatCaesarsGhost Jun 2018 #283

What ever happened to "Touch with your eyes, but not with your hands"? Emilio Mola Jun 2018 #298

And your kids have never taken a little initiative and done something contrary to rules???? nt LAS14 Jun 2018 #309

This was a community center. How would the child know this was ART, not a TOY? pnwmom Jun 2018 #324

I feel for everyone involved BannonsLiver Jun 2018 #305

Point of order: That was more than a "touch." Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #310

Doesn't matter. A kid could deliberately jump in a neighbor's pool pnwmom Jun 2018 #348

I am disturbed by the cild-blaming on this thread. cvoogt Jun 2018 #311

Me, too. I hope the parents find a good lawyer who puts this case away quickly. pnwmom Jun 2018 #326

Yup cvoogt Jun 2018 #345

You know, most people don't really remember being five years old. Mariana Jun 2018 #337

And some of them were probably abused and have internalized it. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #346

That may be part of it cvoogt Jun 2018 #347

we are not blaming the child we are blaming his parents dsc Jun 2018 #369

This thing was an "attractive nuisance," a hazard in a COMMUNITY CENTER, not an art museum. pnwmom Jun 2018 #315

If the child had been crushed to death, DUers would laugh and award a "Darwin" jberryhill Jun 2018 #359

I doubt that they could have been part of discussions pnwmom Jun 2018 #363

If it does not belong to you DON'T TOUCH IT. appleannie1943 Jun 2018 #328

This was a community center during a wedding reception and the mother was saying goodbye pnwmom Jun 2018 #329

Well, I guess it doesn't count if it's only "art"... brooklynite Jun 2018 #396

Whether it was art or not, it was an unsecured hazard located in a place pnwmom Jun 2018 #397

Kids are naturally curious. cvoogt Jun 2018 #349

One of mine is special needs. He is 53 with the mental age of 9. Even he learned you can look but appleannie1943 Jun 2018 #383

I know some cvoogt Jun 2018 #387

Apparently this is a very new phenomenon. Mariana Jun 2018 #391

I know! And in generations past, mothers of 7 children could keep their eyes on pnwmom Jun 2018 #408

I refuse to believe that none of your kids ever touched anything they shouldn't have touched pnwmom Jun 2018 #400

In 2014 a 2-year-old was killed by a statue in SF cvoogt Jun 2018 #366

That story is just horrifying. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #398

Offsetting penalties: parents should be more watchful, but museums should expect these incidents. VOX Jun 2018 #375

This place is neither a museum or a gallery. Mariana Jun 2018 #385

Typical Insurance Company dirt bag move. nt Trek4Truth Jun 2018 #377

It's not like the kid voted for Trump. Fuck people's bullshit. fleabiscuit Jun 2018 #378

Were there any warning signs not to touch the sculpture? I don't think this is an open and shut still_one Jun 2018 #379

No. No sign, and it wasn't secured in place, and it wasn't roped or cordoned off. n/t pnwmom Jun 2018 #399

The outcome of this will be interesting. still_one Jun 2018 #402

The center Meowmee Jun 2018 #380

I don't get art. betsuni Jun 2018 #382

Headline should be about the insurance company trying to avoid it's responsibility TeamPooka Jun 2018 #424

It was neglegent of the City to put that artwork on display in a community center ashling Jun 2018 #427

and a hug from a kid separates the top from the bottom? artist should have cemented Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #441