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vdogg

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152. Why would we want a president who influences bad policy?

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 10:39 PM

Jan 2019

There are plenty of influential people who should have never been handed the reigns of power. She influenced many of her colleagues to go along with this guilty until proven innocent crap that caused Franken to resign. That’s not a quality I want in a president. That’s not the type of influence someone should have.

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At Kirsten Gillibran's exploratory committee facebook page, it looks like 9 out of 10 comments are [View all] wasupaloopa Jan 2019 OP

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Just the facts. If it gets hid because I reported the facts so be it wasupaloopa Jan 2019 #2

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Just because you're not happy with the result doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned. BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #6

Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #11

Hmmm BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #16

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I think that we are seeing misogyny rearing it's head again. Blue_true Jan 2019 #26

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Sure looks that way. And the self righteousness which some are doing that to her enrages me. nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #36

You can be on the forefront and also be in favor of giving the accused a fair investigation. BlueStater Jan 2019 #35

Yes the republicans on the ethics committee Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #44

I think Franken would have handled them quite well Mr.Bill Jan 2019 #49

Franken wouldn't have been in the room to handle them. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #57

And that's all he would have needed. n/t Mr.Bill Jan 2019 #61

No Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #98

But he was willing to go through the process, even though spooky3 Jan 2019 #82

Or maybe that's why he chose to resign Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #97

The evidence is pretty clear that he resigned only after multiple spooky3 Jan 2019 #102

Yes he did. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #104

You're moving the goalposts now. Yes, he probably agreed spooky3 Jan 2019 #117

I don't disagree with any of that. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #119

You people can go making up speculations for the next century DFW Jan 2019 #139

No one accused you of making stuff Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #140

No problem. I believe every one of his detractors who say they haven't. n/t DFW Jan 2019 #142

Touche Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #144

The ethics committee usually operates quietly. He would have done fine... Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #123

No argument about Tweeden Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #126

I'm not going to argue this anymore. It's over. She did the wrong thing. There was NO EVIDENCE. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #127

And no evidence that 7 women were lying Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #130

Talk about moving the goal posts dansolo Jan 2019 #146

No not saying that at all. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #148

True that Lotusflower70 Jan 2019 #95

No doubt he would have Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #106

As fair as the investigation they gave Menendez, who actually was tried criminally for fraud. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #113

No Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #116

Oh...bummer. Gillibrand didn't insist on his ouster. I wonder why. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #118

Lots of maybes Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #120

Gillibrand was the face of the movement to oust Franken. She is proud of it. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #121

That is your impression Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #122

Nope. In interview, she was introduced as "the face of the ouster of Franken...." Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #124

Introduced by someone else Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #128

I'm not going to respond further to your attempts to excuse her wrongful actions against Franken. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #129

Over 30 Senators to call for Franken's resignation Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #131

Placed on ignore for hounding me repeatedly, saying the same thing over and over. Geez. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #132

You replied to me Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #134

Some on DU doesn't want to hear the fact that there many Senators calling on Franken to resign. Blue_true Jan 2019 #135

44 out of 49 said he should go, either in public or private, and four of the other five were legally Celerity Jan 2019 #164

Thanks Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #165

They were all Republican organized DFW Jan 2019 #141

Where is the evidence of that? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #143

+1 spooky3 Jan 2019 #80

Good luck with that. And btw, what's the opposite of misogyny... brush Jan 2019 #64

Whatever. nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #67

+1 fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #103

This perception is precisely why Franken had no choice but to resign LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #112

He had to leave when Schumer joined Gillibrand, and she got others to jump on bandwagon. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #114

Don't try to play the misogynist card. MicaelS Jan 2019 #147

If she is as influential as you and others claim. Blue_true Jan 2019 #149

Why would we want a president who influences bad policy? vdogg Jan 2019 #152

Every one of the great Presidents had a lot of bad policy. Blue_true Jan 2019 #155

You do not stab your fellow Democratic Senator... MicaelS Jan 2019 #161

How did she stab Franken in the back? Blue_true Jan 2019 #163

I supported Hillary vdogg Jan 2019 #151

Did I say that everyone that oppose Gillibrand are? Blue_true Jan 2019 #154

McCarthy weilded the same type of "influence"; many of us don't desire that in a President LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #156

A President has to be convincing to be effective. Blue_true Jan 2019 #157

Yes, I am making that distinction. It's sad that you dont. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #158

Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #7

Look it is going to be a long campaign season. Thousands of people are going to say what I did. wasupaloopa Jan 2019 #12

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Well said Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #31

We shouldn't go after any Dem who pushed for his resignation & that list is long mastermind Jan 2019 #70

What if one democrat disparages another? nini Jan 2019 #37

Seems to be a good report Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #4

Look I get it...but let's move on...not worth the risk...we all know what happened some Demsrule86 Jan 2019 #89

The Kremlin carefully targets its messaging - for maximum effect jpak Jan 2019 #150

Alert it or quit whining! nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #22

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Franken +1000 aeromanKC Jan 2019 #5

Biden is the one....My opinioin is he is the best candidate, most experienced, most respected, and Stuart G Jan 2019 #8

One candidate who shouldn't be ignored is Sherrod Brown... regnaD kciN Jan 2019 #10

I like him so much TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #13

Who ever takes Ohio.... safeinOhio Jan 2019 #87

And he has the va va voom that we need at the top of the ticket. It is a popularity contest... UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #21

I talked at length to a long time friend who is a republican. Stuart G Jan 2019 #29

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Doubt she'll make the final cut... regnaD kciN Jan 2019 #9

Actually, VPs don't do exceptionally well n/t TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #15

There are several women who are far better choices for prez or veep dhol82 Jan 2019 #17

As someone who is objective on this matter I agree..I think the serious Harris would be a UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #23

Gets what message? That she should undo Franken's departure? Fascinating that... TreasonousBastard Jan 2019 #14

"Fascinating that every time Gillibrand's name comes up, some one associates her with Franken." Scurrilous Jan 2019 #33

Pavlovian. I like. Straight to the point. Baggage she can't shake. brush Jan 2019 #66

Yep. I couldn't agree more. amuse bouche Jan 2019 #73

Sympathy for Gillibrand BootinUp Jan 2019 #81

She may get the message that there are a lot of bullies going to her website. SharonClark Jan 2019 #19

Well stated. Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2019 #25

Thank you! +1000 nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #27

She exploited the circumstances to gain a perceived political advantage. njhoneybadger Jan 2019 #38

*Alleged* behavior. BlueStater Jan 2019 #40

Perceived by whom?? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #43

Gillibrand was one of the leaders of the attack. She asked for this when she made that decision. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #39

Over thirty Democratic senators called for Franken's resignation DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #50

No person who called fro Sen Frankenstein to resign kelly1mm Jan 2019 #159

Then it is likely you will won't be voting for the Democratic candidate. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #160

Alas, that may be true .....nt kelly1mm Jan 2019 #162

They should be. nt doc03 Jan 2019 #30

Glad to hear it. (nt) Paladin Jan 2019 #34

She's lucky it isn't 10 out of 10. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2019 #41

If you make a negative comment or 6 they will block you. StTimofEdenRoc Jan 2019 #71

Good to know. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2019 #77

People say stuff there they otherwise wouldn't or even believe Kurt V. Jan 2019 #42

She probably understands that her leading against Franken will cost her a shot this cycle. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #45

"I hope she gets the message..." Scurrilous Jan 2019 #46

keep in mind.... getagrip_already Jan 2019 #47

She's about my eighth choice. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #48

Most of them aren't running for president. BlueStater Jan 2019 #52

Actually at least four others are DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #55

Well, yeah. I said most weren't running. BlueStater Jan 2019 #59

That's an interesting way of looking at it. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #63

Perception is extremely important in politics. BlueStater Jan 2019 #65

Female here. Not a zentrum Jan 2019 #51

Me too...Female Bettie Jan 2019 #62

K&R stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #53

She said she was "called to run for President" Frances Jan 2019 #54

The long arm of consequence. Fuzzpope Jan 2019 #56

It's an extremely short arm ... nobody else that called for his resignation SFnomad Jan 2019 #58

She WAS the first, she also said Clinton should have resigned over Monica. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #60

So what that she was the first ... if she wasn't, somebody else would have been SFnomad Jan 2019 #69

This is a different era. Clinton might not have survived. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #72

There is no doubt ... and soon as the blue dress materialized, it would have been over SFnomad Jan 2019 #75

Part of what saved Clinton was the unsavoriness of and unlikeability of his enemies. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #79

Yeah ... start out investigating a failed property deal ... and wind up obsessing over SFnomad Jan 2019 #90

Plenty of reasons to dislike her. At one point, NRA "A" rating. Defended big tobacco. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #76

What is her current NRA rating? Is she still defending big tobacco? n/t SFnomad Jan 2019 #85

So ignore any previous policy's and beliefs? Brilliant!!!! nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #88

I see you don't want to answer my question ... typical n/t SFnomad Jan 2019 #91

I see you got nothing! Typical! nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #92

Do people still hold President Obama's Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #101

I was going to say the same thing. I heard her on progressive satellite radio... brush Jan 2019 #74

She didn't just offer President Clinton up on a plate ... she was specifically asked SFnomad Jan 2019 #78

LOL, but she answered YES!!! She was not forced to answer! Wow. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #86

That's rather naive Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #100

It was a 20 year old issue. That is the excuse. No need to revisit. But she choose to. Hmmmm. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #136

Which would have been called a copout Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #137

Hurt her intelligence. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #138

What show? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #109

Sirius/FM satellite radio. The progressive channel 127. brush Jan 2019 #111

Ok Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #115

Sen. Franken didn't get the party support he deserved, I wish he would have stuck it out mastermind Jan 2019 #68

Just another place for that "post removed" person to post. rzemanfl Jan 2019 #83

When judging online comments this cycle remember that Russia is working hard to divide us, again TeamPooka Jan 2019 #84

Sometimes people just disagree! It's not always a conspiracy! nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #93

There's not much disagreement. Doesn't look like she'll be the nominee. Honeycombe8 Jan 2019 #133

Once more time everyone Hangdog Slim Jan 2019 #94

You reap what you sow. Cattledog Jan 2019 #96

Meaningless... brooklynite Jan 2019 #99

She shouldn't pursue a nomination flamingdem Jan 2019 #105

Doesn't look that way to me. But I block idiots on facebook so YMMV there. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #107

She was a "Greed is Good" Corporate Lawyer for Big Tobacco bitterross Jan 2019 #108

The key word being 'was'. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #110

gotta link? aikoaiko Jan 2019 #125

I'd pay to see a debate between Franken and any "expert" here oasis Jan 2019 #145

The "No" button got pressed so many times it broke. lagomorph777 Jan 2019 #153