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Jedi Guy

(3,293 posts)
115. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, which is entirely possible...
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:12 PM
Nov 2023

You seem to be trying very hard to construct a paradigm where if people on the left get violent, it's because right wing provocateurs were just watching and waiting to nudge them in that direction and escalate things beyond what the people on the left intended.

That's just silly. People on the left are just as capable* of becoming violent as anyone else without needing that extra push to do so. It's a hot button issue, people are passionate in their views, and people get carried away. No provocateurs are required for this. It's simply human nature, and people on the left are by no means free of human frailties like overreaction, overexcitement, getting caught up in the moment, etc., which is very probably what happened outside the DNC.

* I don't believe people on the left are just as likely of becoming violent as those on the right. Recent history is pretty clear that political violence is more likely to come from the right than from the left, but that by no means reduces the capability for violence from people on the left, particularly on such a fraught issue as the Israel/Hamas conflict.

Link? Mossfern Nov 2023 #1
Here: elleng Nov 2023 #5
More Here (w/Video): VernaF Nov 2023 #20
According to Congressman Brad Sherman they are pro-Hamas and have Jose Garcia Nov 2023 #2
so media equates elleng Nov 2023 #9
actually that appears to be a congressman who is stopdiggin Nov 2023 #17
My bet is they're RightWing opportunists like at Floyd protests blm Nov 2023 #22
They say they are Dems womanofthehills Nov 2023 #67
No Dorian Gray Nov 2023 #87
You know... Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #91
I never said they committed ALL the trouble. blm Nov 2023 #98
The effect of your posts, for all practical purposes, is to have wave away the violence as someone else's doing. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #111
My perspective is legitimate blm Nov 2023 #112
Be that as it may... Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #113
Never said left doesn't act badly. That's exactly blm Nov 2023 #114
Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, which is entirely possible... Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #115
Suit yourself. I am pointing out the opportunism blm Nov 2023 #116
Pointing out the opportunism of these right wing groups is fine... Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #117
We should ALL take offense to the characterization as "Pro-Hamas" WarGamer Nov 2023 #26
Sherman has been problematic with his constant equating of all protests against mass slaughter of civilians with being Celerity Nov 2023 #49
How, then, would you describe the chanting of " from the river to the sea?" question everything Nov 2023 #52
Remember! It's aspirational. EllieBC Nov 2023 #59
Ass peration anal Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2023 #61
I love it! NT EllieBC Nov 2023 #68
Rec TY Cha Nov 2023 #70
LOL, similar to what it mean to ass u me question everything Nov 2023 #99
Rec. Were they actually chanting From the river to the sea? Cha Nov 2023 #71
I have. yardwork Nov 2023 #101
They are not pro Hamas - they are Jewish Voice for Peace womanofthehills Nov 2023 #64
Sorry... JVP *is* pro-Hamas FBaggins Nov 2023 #86
They sure are. They may not have started out that way, but this is what they have evolved into: JohnSJ Nov 2023 #103
Why is claudette Nov 2023 #84
Great, now the media can both sides themselves to death Walleye Nov 2023 #3
And the rest of us. elleng Nov 2023 #16
the Daily Mail (we call it the Daily Heil in the UK) is a RW accelerationist, anti-left hype-hype shit rag Celerity Nov 2023 #42
Very poor optics and timing superpatriotman Nov 2023 #4
How does it make Democrats look bad? LuvLoogie Nov 2023 #15
No doubt some are RightWing agitators using the protest blm Nov 2023 #28
Absolutely.. I don't think it hurts Dems though.. Cha Nov 2023 #79
found this video (Thank You Capitol Police!) rollin74 Nov 2023 #6
They need to be arrested GuppyGal Nov 2023 #8
Good Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2023 #62
TY & Thank You, Capitol Police!! Cha Nov 2023 #77
So the cease fire advocates were being violent? GuppyGal Nov 2023 #7
Yeah. I don't get it. Deuxcents Nov 2023 #12
O geez during Vietnam, we had people bombing universities in the name of peace LeftInTX Nov 2023 #76
And why does claudette Nov 2023 #85
Hmmm Dorian Gray Nov 2023 #88
Wow claudette Nov 2023 #89
I don't automatically think it's pro Hamas but this ceasefire would be one sided. Hamas would not abide. GuppyGal Nov 2023 #95
I certainly don't claudette Nov 2023 #106
Sounds like pro-Hamas/pro-terrorism demonstrators. tritsofme Nov 2023 #10
NBC story TheProle Nov 2023 #13
'Pro-Palestinian.' elleng Nov 2023 #21
These ones seem pretty pro-Hamas to me. tritsofme Nov 2023 #23
They're Noam Chomsky's group, "Jewish Voice for Peace" LeftInTX Nov 2023 #32
Noam Chomsky's group LeftInTX Nov 2023 #30
Means what? Don't appear peaceful, to me. elleng Nov 2023 #38
More info about Jewish Voice for Peace LeftInTX Nov 2023 #40
Just what NO ONE needs. elleng Nov 2023 #47
Seriously? SCantiGOP Nov 2023 #60
Whatever they are.. they're NOT helping their cause Cha Nov 2023 #78
Hamas sympathizers? They are everywhere...nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #11
according to DU posters - there is no such thing stopdiggin Nov 2023 #24
Theyre in my town in Missouri xmas74 Nov 2023 #72
Remember the RightWing opportunists like at the Floyd protests. blm Nov 2023 #14
In that case it was true but in this case it's Islamists JI7 Nov 2023 #29
Rec TY Cha Nov 2023 #80
+1 leftstreet Nov 2023 #39
Pooty Poot's grubby fingers are probably all over this, too. GoCubsGo Nov 2023 #93
I know calling people idiots isn't nice, but these people are idiots. madaboutharry Nov 2023 #18
I don't understand this at all...... Takket Nov 2023 #19
White Nationalists went to Floyd protests to agitate violence. blm Nov 2023 #25
This is an anti-war group called Jewish Voice for Peace LeftInTX Nov 2023 #34
RW opportunists posed as BLM sympathizers. blm Nov 2023 #36
The Anti-Defamation group calls them a hate group. They aren't right wing. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #37
I'm referring to the RW agitators blm Nov 2023 #46
Not every Jew hating bigot is a Rw bigot. EllieBC Nov 2023 #53
I get that, but, RW opportunists seize these protests blm Nov 2023 #56
Repeating your unsubstantiated assumption over and over doesn't make it true. onenote Nov 2023 #41
It turned out to be true during Floyd protests blm Nov 2023 #50
Thank you for your patience and resolve... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #90
Thank you for hearing. blm Nov 2023 #96
Sure inthewind21 Nov 2023 #108
Or your news sources ignored results of the investigations. blm Nov 2023 #110
Chomsky was not the founder. Jewish Voice for Peace was founded by Julia Caplan, Julie Iny, and Rachel Eisner in 1996 in Celerity Nov 2023 #63
Wikipedia lists Noam Chomsky LeftInTX Nov 2023 #69
Wikipedia is in error, as I showed. It's source article is incorrect. I even posted a much older Celerity Nov 2023 #81
Did you know inthewind21 Nov 2023 #109
it's the whole "Dems haven't done enough" stopdiggin Nov 2023 #33
Because they like to be thorns in people's sides. Now they can try to get Democrats to support their "martyrdom" LeftInTX Nov 2023 #44
GOOP is gonna support Israel no matter what Kennah Nov 2023 #57
If they are storming the building they need to be dealt with severely. LiberalFighter Nov 2023 #27
🚨NEW: A large group of violent anti-Israel protestors have stormed the headquarters of the DNC tonight, demanding "Ceas riversedge Nov 2023 #31
Fuck their Violence at the Cpaitol Police... Cha Nov 2023 #82
you know, WhiteTara Nov 2023 #35
Probably believe Democrats can put pressure on President Biden to convince Israel to call a cease fire MichMan Nov 2023 #43
Yes - also most Jewish Democrats in congress are supporting Israel LeftInTX Nov 2023 #45
Hakeem Jeffries was there too with a very Cha Nov 2023 #83
Rep. Sean Casten FelineOverlord Nov 2023 #48
Thanks elleng Nov 2023 #51
The ADL documents their devolution into an extremist organization. madaboutharry Nov 2023 #54
What a mess duckworth969 Nov 2023 #55
They are MichMan Nov 2023 #58
Congress and state legislatures need to codify in law what lawful protest is,... Mark.b2 Nov 2023 #65
'Among other cherished values, the First Amendment protects freedom of speech. elleng Nov 2023 #66
free speech yes bottomofthehill Nov 2023 #73
Then hopefully, the broken laws are enforced... Mark.b2 Nov 2023 #75
Thanks for the link, elleng... Mark.b2 Nov 2023 #74
Statement by Rep. Debbie Dingell from my state MichMan Nov 2023 #92
The attack on Israel is being used to divide the US. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #94
The violent opportunists always sneak in blm Nov 2023 #97
Idiots mcar Nov 2023 #100
Getting ready for a redux of the 1968 Chicago Democratic Convention. It is just bullshit. Peaceful protest JohnSJ Nov 2023 #102
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2023 #104
Why at the DNC? RubyRose Nov 2023 #105
Probably the same idiots ExWhoDoesntCare Nov 2023 #107
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