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NuclearDem

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78. That's what I was thinking too.

Tue Mar 17, 2015, 06:51 PM

Mar 2015

That's a repulsive practice. Any sort of modifications should only be made with the consent of the person receiving them, which rules out engineering from birth.

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Why Organic Can't Fulfill Our Food Supply Ideals [View all] HuckleB Mar 2015 OP

Guy worked for Dow, DuPont. WCLinolVir Mar 2015 #1

When I had my garden in Arkansas, Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #2

You weren't growing food for everyone. HuckleB Mar 2015 #5

Nobody is "growing food for everyone." hunter Mar 2015 #9

Or ethanol KamaAina Mar 2015 #10

Yoiks, you are correct. How could I foget that environmental horror??? hunter Mar 2015 #12

And none of that distraction has anything to do with the BS that is "organic" food marketing. HuckleB Mar 2015 #20

Thanks for the red herrings. HuckleB Mar 2015 #16

Pesticides damage the minds of our children, just like leaded gasoline did. hunter Mar 2015 #60

Citations needed. HuckleB Mar 2015 #62

Who are you working for? Does it pay well? hunter Mar 2015 #64

You have to deal with your issues. HuckleB Mar 2015 #82

And you utilized the squid gambit... hunter Mar 2015 #87

So how did billions of people eat before GMOs? Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #89

+100 G_j Mar 2015 #3

Yup. It's better to parrot the fictions of the anti-GMO deceivers. HuckleB Mar 2015 #6

I doubt you will find me G_j Mar 2015 #7

Find a good mirror. HuckleB Mar 2015 #8

me thinks you have me G_j Mar 2015 #14

Now that is funny. HuckleB Mar 2015 #17

In other words, you have no way to refute his points. HuckleB Mar 2015 #4

Does that make anyone who posts info from the organic industry a "shill"? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #27

I don't understand why these continual promotions for commercial interests are allowed here. Zorra Mar 2015 #97

GM crops are not cigarettes. Not even comparable. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #98

It's a bumper-sticker opinion that confuses "organic" with "natural." Orsino Mar 2015 #11

Well, you certainly offered up a pointless bumper sticker. HuckleB Mar 2015 #18

It's true that food produced under NOP certification can use synthetic substances Major Nikon Mar 2015 #34

The guy makes some valid issues.... BronxBoy Mar 2015 #13

You should probably get to know some conventional farmers. HuckleB Mar 2015 #32

I make my living working with BronxBoy Mar 2015 #37

Maybe you should show your knowledge instead of claiming it. HuckleB Mar 2015 #84

What fertilizers can't be used in drip injector systems? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #39

Yes... BronxBoy Mar 2015 #41

He didn't say there weren't and in-fact implied there were Major Nikon Mar 2015 #45

But you can also apply that same logic to conventional agriculture BronxBoy Mar 2015 #46

I think the point was which one lends itself better to that application Major Nikon Mar 2015 #65

Well he's flawed in the point he's trying to make...... BronxBoy Mar 2015 #67

I think the majority of all agriculture isn't currently using drip irrigation Major Nikon Mar 2015 #69

You're absolutely right...... BronxBoy Mar 2015 #73

I think sustainability is a much more important topic Major Nikon Mar 2015 #77

The scientist works as a consultant for chemical companies like Dupont. pnwmom Mar 2015 #15

An agriculture academic who has worked for ag companies? HuckleB Mar 2015 #19

DuPont isn't really an ag company gollygee Mar 2015 #21

Thank you for continuing to spread your propaganda. HuckleB Mar 2015 #23

LOL gollygee Mar 2015 #25

It's classic anti-GMO framing. You're not fooling anyone who actually cares about reality. HuckleB Mar 2015 #28

Well, someone isn't actually fooling anyone. n/t gollygee Mar 2015 #29

Well, the anti-GMO deceivers have conned far too many at DU. HuckleB Mar 2015 #31

I'm sure there's propaganda both ways gollygee Mar 2015 #33

Pretending that he didn't work on ag products for that company is just silly. HuckleB Mar 2015 #35

Ag products that use chemicals I imagine, as it's DuPont, which is a chemical company gollygee Mar 2015 #36

Do you think Dupont makes no products for organic farmers? HuckleB Mar 2015 #52

DuPont is heavily involved in the seed industry Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #88

The line between advocacy and shilling is a blurry one. Orsino Mar 2015 #22

The shill gambit is a baseless one. HuckleB Mar 2015 #24

He's not an "academic." He worked for a few years at a university before pnwmom Mar 2015 #26

And you still can't disprove any of his work. HuckleB Mar 2015 #30

Revealing a potential conflict of interest is always a valid purpose. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #42

Only when you can't actually argue against someone with legitimate evidence. HuckleB Mar 2015 #49

It's a waste of time to argue with shills. I realize that's their job, pnwmom Mar 2015 #70

In other words, science can be dismissed when it is convenient for you. HuckleB Mar 2015 #85

Save your breath..... BronxBoy Mar 2015 #38

Here's something to think about... HuckleB Mar 2015 #51

So anyone who has any connection to the organic industry can be summarily dismissed? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #66

Anyone who claims that a scientist is an academic, when the scientist actually works pnwmom Mar 2015 #68

Albert Einstein didn't instruct for decades Major Nikon Mar 2015 #72

He was an academic when he was at the Institute for Advanced Study, pnwmom Mar 2015 #74

A lifetime tenure with no assigned tasks Major Nikon Mar 2015 #76

An "academic"... CanSocDem Mar 2015 #104

I don't agree Major Nikon Mar 2015 #105

Why don't we focus our efforts on distribution and waste? Glassunion Mar 2015 #40

Good Point.... BronxBoy Mar 2015 #44

That's a discussion that is ongoing. HuckleB Mar 2015 #48

Funny, but the biggest impact would be to not vote for Glassunion Mar 2015 #54

Indeed. HuckleB Mar 2015 #55

It's a finite planet The2ndWheel Mar 2015 #43

Six Reasons Organic is NOT The Most Environmentally Friendly Way To Farm HuckleB Mar 2015 #47

There's no environmentally friendly way to farm The2ndWheel Mar 2015 #50

That's one way to back away and say nothing. HuckleB Mar 2015 #53

What needs to be said? The2ndWheel Mar 2015 #95

Whole Food Blues: Why Organic Agriculture May Not Be So Sustainable HuckleB Mar 2015 #56

"Pre-scientific era" whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #57

Science is a tool. HuckleB Mar 2015 #58

Of course science can improve most things in some regard whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #59

That's a rather anti-science thing to say. HuckleB Mar 2015 #61

You made my point whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #63

That's the opposite of your point. HuckleB Mar 2015 #83

Ironic whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #99

You have simply chosen to ignore the science. HuckleB Mar 2015 #100

Science evolves whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #103

Yes, it does. HuckleB Mar 2015 #106

"You mean the era before "we'll do whatever we want because we can"?" NuclearDem Mar 2015 #71

Brave New World -- Aldous Huxley hunter Mar 2015 #75

That's what I was thinking too. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #78

Why is a human/animal hybrid gross? whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #79

The better question is why would we even need a human-* hybrid? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #80

Don't make the mistake whatchamacallit Mar 2015 #81

You can have a debate about ethics in science and not be anti-science. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #86

WHY???!! Because this....! Inkfreak Mar 2015 #92

"Triple best." LWolf Mar 2015 #90

Organic Farming Can Feed The World If Done Right Scientists Claim KittyWampus Mar 2015 #91

Meanwhile, GMO products are increasing output. HuckleB Mar 2015 #101

Yet we used to be primarily agricutural and at one time, mmonk Mar 2015 #93

Minor problem with that argument: NuclearDem Mar 2015 #94

It was a statement, not an argument. mmonk Mar 2015 #96

The Ecological Case Against Organic Farming HuckleB Mar 2015 #102