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109. OMG, we really need to stop blaming America’s problems on a certain race or gender.

Tue Aug 4, 2015, 10:24 AM

Aug 2015

There are approx. 330 million people in the USA. The percentages are going to have a fair amount with mental problems. Of those, most will not get the help they need. Do you really think a person just wants to be evil? Do you really think a person without mental defects would just stand up in a movie theater and shoot people? If you really want to write something about something that can make a difference, write about the lack of mental care that is available in the USA. Stop blaming race, culture or sexual orientation on all our issues.

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Dear White America: Your Toxic Masculinity is Killing You [View all] sheshe2 Aug 2015 OP

#NotAllwhitePeople, in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... eom 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #1

Probably. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #5

That train is never late, and it has an "I don't see color" caboose. betsuni Aug 2015 #9

Oooh! Oooh! Want the Chris Rock version? It has bad words but it's hilarious. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #39

Do men find it hilarious when he calls women "bitches:? whathehell Aug 2015 #129

TBH, I think he's posting again. Everywhere. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #31

Lol! bravenak Aug 2015 #72

Amazing. His friend 'Name Removed' is also posting a lot on this thread, too! n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #163

. XemaSab Aug 2015 #82

You noticed that too? JTFrog Aug 2015 #179

And found a Profile with the same info, too. But been here a long time. So was the other one. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #200

heh *sucks teeth* nt Quayblue Aug 2015 #32

So #AllWhitePeople ? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #77

That was my exact point ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #78

Keep banging away. It's pretty much a binary formula. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #79

Okay. ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #80

Smilies are evasions. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #83

Because you are not interested in my being "helpful" ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #88

What cute little word play. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #95

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #99

You cant win, white people are so privileged and blinded to their privilege, that a reasonable AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #153

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #155

I can see holding all whites responsible for confronting and fighting white racism. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #213

If white people heaven05 Aug 2015 #227

Okay here's an old one for you heaven05 Aug 2015 #225

What shoe is supposed to be fitting? The OP is about toxic white racism. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #230

did I? heaven05 Aug 2015 #246

You said -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #251

I think the #NotAllWhiteFolks thing is mainly used by white conservatives,not anti-racist whites. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #212

If you xcome out your bubble heaven05 Aug 2015 #224

I never said racism doesn't exist so figure out something else to be upset about. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #229

I am the farther heaven05 Aug 2015 #245

The article sounds like it's talking about white people who believe this: gollygee Aug 2015 #86

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #90

Then why did you make the response, "#NotAllwhitePeople, in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... eom"? aikoaiko Aug 2015 #101

Your inability to understand the point of his saying "not all white people" in this context AllFieldsRequired Aug 2015 #157

Which I why I'm asking him to explain. He appears contradictory aikoaiko Aug 2015 #159

The two points are not contradictory. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #172

If you say so, but on the face they do appear contradictory to me. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #173

Don't worry ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #181

be offended, so what? heaven05 Aug 2015 #228

Well, this thread was basically over on Tuesday and most people moved on...but not you. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #237

you're still here heaven05 Aug 2015 #247

well, I'm very grateful that you're concerned now. My life is richer for it. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #252

I think he was anticipating such a response. stone space Aug 2015 #214

Sure, but 1SB later admits it's not all white people. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #218

Some "admission". stone space Aug 2015 #221

Is this toxic white masculinity -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #93

What percentage of white Americans respond to "the Southern strategy?" gollygee Aug 2015 #97

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #103

Welcome to DU gollygee Aug 2015 #106

"I'm thinking it's less than half but more than 'not many.'" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #112

Yes, but again, saying "#notallwhitepeople" doesn't mean it's actually all white people gollygee Aug 2015 #120

"it's only talking about complaints that articles and/or posts should have to specify" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #122

no one need explain anything about male toxicity heaven05 Aug 2015 #232

It's amazing how many people want to weasel their way into a false sense of moral superiority. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #243

you've done very well heaven05 Aug 2015 #248

"Concerned, sometimes, that some racist pig will hate my color and try to kill me because of it" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #253

Funny, I thought I would die from the nachos I am eating. Eleanors38 Aug 2015 #133

This thread needs more guns! stone space Aug 2015 #215

What's wrong with POC having guns? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #217

You habitually use Black folks just like you use Women. stone space Aug 2015 #219

I unequivocally support people of color exercising their inherent human right of self-defense. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #220

toxicity heaven05 Aug 2015 #231

Thank you gollygee. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #123

Right-wing white folks moreso, though. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #211

0-7 Jury Flagging. Result: LEAVE IT ALONE - Some people are too sensitive and abuse this feature. TheBlackAdder Aug 2015 #160

#NotAllAlertWhiners Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #161

but plenty of whiners still heaven05 Aug 2015 #233

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #100

Whoosh. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #102

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #104

What's name removed talking about? He keeps on talking to you and me but I don't see it. n/t freshwest Aug 2015 #162

exactly heaven05 Aug 2015 #234

All masculinity, regardless of color, can be toxic hack89 Aug 2015 #2

Gender expectations and stereotypes are damaging in general. Kurska Aug 2015 #3

Not really DustyJoe Aug 2015 #6

There's definitely a gender distinction that can be made XemaSab Aug 2015 #81

Yes! In fact just yesterday Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #249

This message was self-deleted by its author Go Vols Aug 2015 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author William769 Aug 2015 #14

Ha! (nt.) Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #16

It would help if you read the article. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #24

ty,I will delete Go Vols Aug 2015 #25

Thanks. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #27

What about run of the mill shootings? hack89 Aug 2015 #41

Who is manufacturing the guns? Who is flooding our communities with them? stone space Aug 2015 #216

try as you may to deny the truth heaven05 Aug 2015 #235

What exactly is the truth? hack89 Aug 2015 #254

many are uniquely racist heaven05 Aug 2015 #255

But not more violent then other races hack89 Aug 2015 #256

all pretty pretty violent I would agree heaven05 Aug 2015 #257

There are plenty of violent war loving governments in the world hack89 Aug 2015 #258

Governments are led by people heaven05 Aug 2015 #259

White men may commit 63% of mass killings virgogal Aug 2015 #54

I missed where this was stated. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #67

I wonder where he gets that figure from? aikoaiko Aug 2015 #69

And lost, apparently in all of this, is the point of the piece ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #113

Lost because, the article was not read. nt sheshe2 Aug 2015 #127

The point of this piece is to trash white masculinity aikoaiko Aug 2015 #166

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #167

You may be okay with that, but I'm not. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #168

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #169

Well, since your taking the time to respond to this subthread, how about this one? aikoaiko Aug 2015 #171

+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2015 #201

true heaven05 Aug 2015 #236

Since I pulled this up to make a point about gender, I may as well repost it here: XemaSab Aug 2015 #85

more to the point hfojvt Aug 2015 #198

single white males kill/murder heaven05 Aug 2015 #238

That says that they commit mass shootings at exactly the expected rate XemaSab Aug 2015 #84

Never let science, math or logic get in the way of righteous outrage. hifiguy Aug 2015 #158

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #96

A mass shooting means there were multiple victims sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #98

Bullshit sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #30

I never thought you would say something like this. The gun stuff threw me off. Yes I agree. JanMichael Aug 2015 #33

The toxic comes here, post 24 sheshe2 Aug 2015 #68

Exactly. Skin color & ethnicity doesn't matter, particularly in USA statistics. It's the gender underahedgerow Aug 2015 #89

if you were my 'friend', you wouldn't be addressing me by my skin color HFRN Aug 2015 #4

She's only addressing you if you fit in one of these categories: freshwest Aug 2015 #37

Thank you freshwest! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #42

I don't think you can deflect this essay so easily. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #55

Not all white males have that overwhelming machismo Jamastiene Aug 2015 #65

If one is a white male with any degree of masculinity aikoaiko Aug 2015 #66

"If one is a white male with any degree of masculinity" BeanMusical Aug 2015 #74

I agree that it's silly but that's what the essay is about aikoaiko Aug 2015 #75

you're deflecting, distracting from and diminishing the truth heaven05 Aug 2015 #239

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Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #150

substitute 'Toxic white' for something else, and you could be reading a 1930s German article HFRN Aug 2015 #7

Oh please shenmue Aug 2015 #20

Dear black dude, you lost me with your opening. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #8

That is probably because you never bothered reading the rest. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #44

NEVER does heaven05 Aug 2015 #240

I imagine that happens quite often. LanternWaste Aug 2015 #128

Chauncy Devega says “white privilege" is a distracting term but toxic white masculinity is friendly. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #10

Oh cheeses! We're finally turning a corner. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2015 #11

. Nye Bevan Aug 2015 #12

That's interesting. cwydro Aug 2015 #91

I knew it would not be long before someone ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #156

Dead is dead. Boudica the Lyoness Aug 2015 #180

True. Dead is dead ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #183

Way to blame the victim! XemaSab Aug 2015 #184

How am I blaming the victim? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #185

But in the latter situation, the cause of the death doesn't/didn't die with the individual killed XemaSab Aug 2015 #187

No. I thought I said ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #189

Keep digging that hole XemaSab Aug 2015 #194

Okay. I am NOT blaming the victim ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #195

Try again XemaSab Aug 2015 #196

I'm done ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #197

I wouldn't waste time with you heaven05 Aug 2015 #244

what?????????? heaven05 Aug 2015 #242

there is a career heaven05 Aug 2015 #241

They should have also added reading comprehension. nt William769 Aug 2015 #15

... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #17

Because Toxic Masculinity only kills white Americans seveneyes Aug 2015 #18

Got it, ya never read the article. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #45

hmmm generalized negative remarks about an entire group based on skin color. Yes, that's racist Amishman Aug 2015 #19

They're not "generalized negative remarks", they clearly observations based on experience. George II Aug 2015 #21

funny, i hear a lot of racists justify their opinions the same way Amishman Aug 2015 #29

Sir, you misunderstand what "racism" means nt ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #28

Well ... It HAS been a couple of months since we last did that dance ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #114

Remember, Chauncey DeVega is a friend of white America seveneyes Aug 2015 #22

Had the same friendly letter sulphurdunn Aug 2015 #34

Actually melman Aug 2015 #50

There is no misogyny in any black culture Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #71

LOL! whathehell Aug 2015 #147

Interesting how some people don't --or won't read past the title and the excerpt ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #23

Thank you for actually reading ism! sheshe2 Aug 2015 #26

an identifier such as "white" shuts down the parietal lobe eom Quayblue Aug 2015 #176

Makes one wonder why the title was entitled as such and why that part was excerpted. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #178

I'm leaving the west to avoid WHITE TOXIC MASCULINITY LittleBlue Aug 2015 #35

Because white colonialism had nothing to do with any of them! ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #36

Yes, why can't those countries be like Ethiopia and Liberia LittleBlue Aug 2015 #38

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #108

I know right! Those evil white bastards brought FGM to Africa as well snooper2 Aug 2015 #121

Yeah you white men suck. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #207

I sure hope you are satirizing someone. Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #206

Oh good lord Egnever Aug 2015 #40

Got it........... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #51

Why would I? Egnever Aug 2015 #56

You are not interested in seeing the GOP & Baggers trashed.... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #57

At the expense of the whole white race? Egnever Aug 2015 #58

No comments until you read it. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #60

I read it, I'm white and yes it singles out whites from top to bottom. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #115

Anyone who groups me with Republicans can...start over. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #43

If you read the whole thing.... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #47

I got that from the excerpt alone. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #48

The excerpt specifically says gollygee Aug 2015 #87

Yes, I know. The topic of the article is clear to me. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #107

Actually it trashes white masculinity as toxic and uses the GOP as an example. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #165

I'd really like to be able to say, "IT'S NOT TRUE!" GitRDun Aug 2015 #46

I was at a newish client's house artislife Aug 2015 #52

Amen n/t GitRDun Aug 2015 #53

I'm going to have to steal your reply. johnp3907 Aug 2015 #177

This is pretty spot on nt artislife Aug 2015 #49

I am curious if the author Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #59

It's funny that you can't accept that people read it and some reject it. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #61

There's nothing that I can add to this... MrScorpio Aug 2015 #62

Good to see you MrScorpio. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #64

It's true. Jamastiene Aug 2015 #63

My thanks Jamastiene. nt sheshe2 Aug 2015 #70

Toxic masculinity is just as deadly for black America. nt BreakfastClub Aug 2015 #73

Ever heard the song, "Bitches Ain't Shit but Hos and Tricks"? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #76

Shhhhh! XemaSab Aug 2015 #92

Yeah, but what about Penicillin? The Personal Computer? The Apollo program? Calculus. Philosophy. Romulox Aug 2015 #111

Actually ... That's exactly how it works ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #116

Then don't do that. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #118

He kinda skipped over the part where *he himself* is the one doing that, didn't he? nt Romulox Aug 2015 #125

So...I get credit for Penicillin, then? That pretty much evens the score. Romulox Aug 2015 #124

How about credit for -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #117

#NotAllConstitutionalAmendments Romulox Aug 2015 #126

Why do you work so hard to be the victim ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #130

So, some internet crank posts "the problem with white people is..." screed and when Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #135

That's not what the OP said. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #136

Are you seriously suggesting that if someone wrote -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #148

You still haven't read the OP, have you? 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #151

Yes, I did. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #152

Okay. it's difficult to tell ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #154

No 'toxic masculinity' there, right? whathehell Aug 2015 #145

not to be that guy but retrowire Aug 2015 #94

This is the silliest thing I have read in along time. Puddy Aug 2015 #105

Well, you're new here so give it a minute. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #119

Blammo. hifiguy Aug 2015 #186

OMG, we really need to stop blaming America’s problems on a certain race or gender. Chapter2 Aug 2015 #109

You too are tired of identity politics? Ace Rothstein Aug 2015 #164

Same here. romanic Aug 2015 #170

Amen brother/sister. hifiguy Aug 2015 #188

Do the statistics bear out the OP though? Pretty sure they don't. nt Romulox Aug 2015 #110

Spot fucking on. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #131

Right, because men of color don't have any of that going on whathehell Aug 2015 #132

'that there is such a thing as toxic white masculinity is both surprising and enraging' Rex Aug 2015 #134

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I'm glad my point pissed you off so much that you signed up to write to me. Rex Aug 2015 #138

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #139

Keep trying! Rex Aug 2015 #141

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #144

Hi, Rex sheshe2 Aug 2015 #142

You too sheshe2 thanks for the great article! Rex Aug 2015 #143

Lol~ sheshe2 Aug 2015 #149

Spot on Rex. Ilios Meows Aug 2015 #174

Because the article does not refer to conservative male masculinity -- just toxic white masculinity aikoaiko Aug 2015 #175

Yes it does, all one has to do is READ it. Rex Aug 2015 #190

Let me put it this way, if I wrote, "it is Rex's toxic white masculinity that defaults to violence.. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #193

IF 'Rex' was some idiot RWing militia type that wants to end the federal government then yeah. Rex Aug 2015 #226

Well I'm not white so half of this doesn't apply to me. romanic Aug 2015 #146

Some people are bad because they're unlike me. They're a different color and whatnot. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #182

That's the gist. nt pecwae Aug 2015 #191

So this is where that thread came from Coolest Ranger Aug 2015 #192

Hey CR... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #203

FYI.... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #204

Hey, now that I read it... sheshe2 Aug 2015 #205

It may have been paradody Coolest Ranger Aug 2015 #208

Hugs, CR. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #210

I initially thought, "Dear Violent Racist White America," would have been a better title, Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2015 #199

I have to laugh when "hostility to women's rights" Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #202

Good read, but why is the author oblivious to homophobia as part of the Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #209

Can we please just distinguish between Shankapotomus Aug 2015 #222

This is a succinct, concise heaven05 Aug 2015 #223

My dear friend, heaven. sheshe2 Aug 2015 #250