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Benton D Struckcheon

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14. Up until very recently, Russians could go in and out of Ukraine w/o a visa.

Reply to blackspade (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 16, 2014, 08:32 AM

Apr 2014

Obviously, they speak the same language. Not difficult at all to burrow from the inside out.
The only real difficulty will be in the referendums, as they won't be able to isolate the east and hold a gun to the residents' heads, as they did in Crimea. While there is support for Russia, all reports I read say there is no majority for actual secession from Ukraine, and annexation to Russia. It will be somewhat harder to stage-manage.

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Pro-Russian separatists seize Ukrainian armoured vehicles. [View all] dipsydoodle Apr 2014 OP

"100 heavily armed men" joshcryer Apr 2014 #1

Yes, Maidan protesters were concerned with public square Bad Thoughts Apr 2014 #12

Where all this stuff is: Kramatorsk Savyansk, Donetsk. progree Apr 2014 #2

Close up map here dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #6

Ukraine has no chance to defend itself against the russians. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #3

Assuming the news to be accurate dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #4

Like i said. The problem in Ulraine is that the enemies come from within the borders. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #5

Ukraine was doing fine maintaining her "independence" . . . another_liberal Apr 2014 #11

"We" didn't decide anything, the Ukrainians themselves did. Cookies or not. n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #30

Correction: This is civil war. Unless folks believe that Russia sent in a million operatives. newthinking Apr 2014 #22

Seemed odd that armoured vehicles could be "captured" dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #7

There seems to be a continuing problem with refusal of orders. bemildred Apr 2014 #15

Surprise surprise eh? Catherina Apr 2014 #17

Yeah, a big shock. Who knew this could happen? bemildred Apr 2014 #18

Pots and kettles doesn't even begin to describe this lol Catherina Apr 2014 #23

There are also reports that the crews of the APCs defected to the protesters. another_liberal Apr 2014 #8

Guardian reporting the same : see reply #7 dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #9

Thanks. another_liberal Apr 2014 #10

How the hell did this happen? blackspade Apr 2014 #13

Up until very recently, Russians could go in and out of Ukraine w/o a visa. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #14

Looks like BMD-1 or BMD-2 and the "Tank" is a 120mm Self propelled Mortar happyslug Apr 2014 #16

Allow me to emphasize this part: bemildred Apr 2014 #19

That is my impression of this action happyslug Apr 2014 #20

I agree. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #21

I like the way you reason. That's precisely what's going on Catherina Apr 2014 #24

Now I have to view the actual vehicles's number happyslug Apr 2014 #25

+1 Someone does NOT trust the Ukrainian Army, Catherina Apr 2014 #27

Not necessarily defections but stopped vehicles Catherina Apr 2014 #28

Thanks for your link about that new Ukranian National Guard Catherina Apr 2014 #29

Video interview with Ukranian soldier. "We won't shoot... just want to go home" Catherina Apr 2014 #26