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happyslug

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20. That is my impression of this action
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 12:02 PM
Apr 2014

The Ukrainian Army can move against people who provide no resistance, but once resistance is fairly certain, it will back off. That would explain its ease at taking over the airport that was reported earlier, the people holding the airport left, so the Ukrainian Army moved it. Some shots were exchanged but no real fighting.

A good historical example of this was Canadian Militia during the War of 1812. When the British moved against Fort Detroit, they dressed the Canadian Militia in regular British Uniforms. The Americans holding Detroit saw them march to the Fort and decided they were British Regulars not Militia and decided to vacate the Fort. Some shots were exchanged but the British took Fort Detroit with the assistance of the Canadian Militia.

Later on, when the US invaded Canada and took on the British and Native American Army at the Battle of the Thames, the Canadian Militia was still present, but ignored by the Americans. The reason was simple, the Canadian Militia did not know want to do. Most of their Fathers had fought at Bunker Hill, while most of their Officers had surrendered at Yorktown or otherwise were involved with the British side during the Revolution. Thus the leadership wanted to fight, but the actual troops could not decide to fight for their King (Technically since their lived in what is now Ontario they were subject to the British Crown) or their Country (America). Thus in actual battle they were useless.

Worse. the British had a problem with the Canadian Militia. the fear that if the Militia was dissolved and sent home, what most of the militiamen would do is look up their cousins, bothers, brother in laws serving in the US Side and join up with the American Invasion force. Thus the British Army kept the Canadian Militia in service more to weaken the invading Americans then to strengthen their side.

Just an observation of what may be going on in the Ukrainian Army. Given a large segment of the population speaks only Russian, some units may be units that speak Russia, The modern Canadian Army has this feature, with French enlistees serving in French speaking units and English Speakers serving in attached English Speaking Units (often on a one to two basis, the first two units speak English, the third unit speaks French, thus today Canada's Army consists of Three Regiments, one speaks French the other two speak English).

More on the Canadian Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Army#Regular_force

The upside of such a situation is people in each unit understand each other, the down side is the different members of the different units do not intermix and come to think of themselves as different from the others. Thus this may be a Russian Speaking unit of the Ukrainian Army, that defected, leaving its Ukrainian speaking units behind. The Ukrainians speaking units may be able to operate without the Russian Speaking units, but most units train as one and thus both units are NOT as combat ready as they were when they were one unit.

"100 heavily armed men" joshcryer Apr 2014 #1
Yes, Maidan protesters were concerned with public square Bad Thoughts Apr 2014 #12
Where all this stuff is: Kramatorsk Savyansk, Donetsk. progree Apr 2014 #2
Close up map here dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #6
Ukraine has no chance to defend itself against the russians. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #3
Assuming the news to be accurate dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #4
Like i said. The problem in Ulraine is that the enemies come from within the borders. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #5
Ukraine was doing fine maintaining her "independence" . . . another_liberal Apr 2014 #11
"We" didn't decide anything, the Ukrainians themselves did. Cookies or not. n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #30
Correction: This is civil war. Unless folks believe that Russia sent in a million operatives. newthinking Apr 2014 #22
Seemed odd that armoured vehicles could be "captured" dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #7
There seems to be a continuing problem with refusal of orders. bemildred Apr 2014 #15
Surprise surprise eh? Catherina Apr 2014 #17
Yeah, a big shock. Who knew this could happen? bemildred Apr 2014 #18
Pots and kettles doesn't even begin to describe this lol Catherina Apr 2014 #23
There are also reports that the crews of the APCs defected to the protesters. another_liberal Apr 2014 #8
Guardian reporting the same : see reply #7 dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #9
Thanks. another_liberal Apr 2014 #10
How the hell did this happen? blackspade Apr 2014 #13
Up until very recently, Russians could go in and out of Ukraine w/o a visa. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #14
Looks like BMD-1 or BMD-2 and the "Tank" is a 120mm Self propelled Mortar happyslug Apr 2014 #16
Allow me to emphasize this part: bemildred Apr 2014 #19
That is my impression of this action happyslug Apr 2014 #20
I agree. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #21
I like the way you reason. That's precisely what's going on Catherina Apr 2014 #24
Now I have to view the actual vehicles's number happyslug Apr 2014 #25
+1 Someone does NOT trust the Ukrainian Army, Catherina Apr 2014 #27
Not necessarily defections but stopped vehicles Catherina Apr 2014 #28
Thanks for your link about that new Ukranian National Guard Catherina Apr 2014 #29
Video interview with Ukranian soldier. "We won't shoot... just want to go home" Catherina Apr 2014 #26
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