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In reply to the discussion: Pro-Russian separatists seize Ukrainian armoured vehicles. [View all]happyslug
(14,779 posts)Of the five vehicles defected earlier, which all the videos are showing, no others, carry the following haul numbers:
914...2S9 with 120mm mortar is numbed 914
815...BMP-1 with 73mm cannon
813...BMD-1 with 73 mm cannon
709...A BMD but I can not determine its cannon, if it even has one, may be a command version w/o cannon
842...BMD-2 with 30mm cannon
847...BMD but again I can NOT tell if it is a BMD-1 or a BMD-2.
Please note, the original report said five vehicles defeated, yet I counted six haul numbers. It may be Five BMDs and their counted the 2S9 as something else.
I have NOT seen any vehicles under RUSSIA colors except those six vehicles, the video about other defections show Ukrainian Flags flying and later said the troops in those Vehicles surrendered, but no video of the vehicles under Russia Flags. Thus the only CONFIRMED vehicle defections are the above six vehicles.
I also ran across a new clip that said Ukraine has send in "National Guard" units to the Eastern Ukraine?
http://www.nationalturk.com/en/the-national-guard-ukrainian-troops-are-advancing-in-the-east-breaking-news-49521
A Ukrainian National Guard existed in the 1990 but disbanded on 1/1/2000, but was "Reformed" on 3-12-2014, it appears to be movement of those forces that participated in the protests that saw the ousting of Yankorvich and the installation of a new government
The reformation of a Ukrainian National Guard implies the Ukrainian Army is not trust worthy and thus the creation of this new unit without input from the Eastern part of the Ukraine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine
In the eastern parts of the country in particular, not only will the National Guard reinforce regular military units defending against a feared Russian invasion, it will also be expected to uphold Part 1 of Art. 109 of the Criminal Code of Ukrainei.e. it is intended to act as a Counterinsurgency force against 'Fifth columnists' and Infiltrators.
Someone does NOT trust the Ukrainian Army,