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happyslug

(14,779 posts)
25. Now I have to view the actual vehicles's number
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 03:01 PM
Apr 2014

Of the five vehicles defected earlier, which all the videos are showing, no others, carry the following haul numbers:

914...2S9 with 120mm mortar is numbed 914
815...BMP-1 with 73mm cannon
813...BMD-1 with 73 mm cannon
709...A BMD but I can not determine its cannon, if it even has one, may be a command version w/o cannon
842...BMD-2 with 30mm cannon
847...BMD but again I can NOT tell if it is a BMD-1 or a BMD-2.

Please note, the original report said five vehicles defeated, yet I counted six haul numbers. It may be Five BMDs and their counted the 2S9 as something else.

I have NOT seen any vehicles under RUSSIA colors except those six vehicles, the video about other defections show Ukrainian Flags flying and later said the troops in those Vehicles surrendered, but no video of the vehicles under Russia Flags. Thus the only CONFIRMED vehicle defections are the above six vehicles.

I also ran across a new clip that said Ukraine has send in "National Guard" units to the Eastern Ukraine?

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/the-national-guard-ukrainian-troops-are-advancing-in-the-east-breaking-news-49521

A Ukrainian National Guard existed in the 1990 but disbanded on 1/1/2000, but was "Reformed" on 3-12-2014, it appears to be movement of those forces that participated in the protests that saw the ousting of Yankorvich and the installation of a new government

The reformation of a Ukrainian National Guard implies the Ukrainian Army is not trust worthy and thus the creation of this new unit without input from the Eastern part of the Ukraine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Guard_of_Ukraine

In the eastern parts of the country in particular, not only will the National Guard reinforce regular military units defending against a feared Russian invasion, it will also be expected to uphold Part 1 of Art. 109 of the Criminal Code of Ukrainei.e. it is intended to act as a Counterinsurgency force against 'Fifth columnists' and Infiltrators.


Someone does NOT trust the Ukrainian Army,
"100 heavily armed men" joshcryer Apr 2014 #1
Yes, Maidan protesters were concerned with public square Bad Thoughts Apr 2014 #12
Where all this stuff is: Kramatorsk Savyansk, Donetsk. progree Apr 2014 #2
Close up map here dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #6
Ukraine has no chance to defend itself against the russians. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #3
Assuming the news to be accurate dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #4
Like i said. The problem in Ulraine is that the enemies come from within the borders. darkangel218 Apr 2014 #5
Ukraine was doing fine maintaining her "independence" . . . another_liberal Apr 2014 #11
"We" didn't decide anything, the Ukrainians themselves did. Cookies or not. n/t EX500rider Apr 2014 #30
Correction: This is civil war. Unless folks believe that Russia sent in a million operatives. newthinking Apr 2014 #22
Seemed odd that armoured vehicles could be "captured" dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #7
There seems to be a continuing problem with refusal of orders. bemildred Apr 2014 #15
Surprise surprise eh? Catherina Apr 2014 #17
Yeah, a big shock. Who knew this could happen? bemildred Apr 2014 #18
Pots and kettles doesn't even begin to describe this lol Catherina Apr 2014 #23
There are also reports that the crews of the APCs defected to the protesters. another_liberal Apr 2014 #8
Guardian reporting the same : see reply #7 dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #9
Thanks. another_liberal Apr 2014 #10
How the hell did this happen? blackspade Apr 2014 #13
Up until very recently, Russians could go in and out of Ukraine w/o a visa. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #14
Looks like BMD-1 or BMD-2 and the "Tank" is a 120mm Self propelled Mortar happyslug Apr 2014 #16
Allow me to emphasize this part: bemildred Apr 2014 #19
That is my impression of this action happyslug Apr 2014 #20
I agree. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #21
I like the way you reason. That's precisely what's going on Catherina Apr 2014 #24
Now I have to view the actual vehicles's number happyslug Apr 2014 #25
+1 Someone does NOT trust the Ukrainian Army, Catherina Apr 2014 #27
Not necessarily defections but stopped vehicles Catherina Apr 2014 #28
Thanks for your link about that new Ukranian National Guard Catherina Apr 2014 #29
Video interview with Ukranian soldier. "We won't shoot... just want to go home" Catherina Apr 2014 #26
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