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In reply to the discussion: Firearms industry benefits from America’s gun violence [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)9. Where do you get your information?
sounds like your source makes Palin look like a MENSA member.
have NOTHING to do with common law.
If there isn't a statute regarding SYG or DTR, it falls to common law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law
California is a SYG state based on its common law. Wyoming has a duty to retreat based on its common law.
It used to be a hanging offense to shoot an unarmed person or to shoot them in the back. With SYG, not so.
you still can't shoot someone in the back. Unarmed is a misnomer, someone without a weapon can kill you if there is a disparity of force. For example,a that is 6'3" 220 professional boxer or MMA fighter against someone who is either not athletic or weighs 100 pounds and is 5'4" is such a disparity. If someone who is larger and stronger than you is straddled on top of you while doing a "ground and pound" is also a disparity. The only thing that changes is the requirement to retreat if (and only if) you can and can do so safely. What doesn't change is the requirement that lethal force can only be used if faced with immediate threat, or reasonable perception of, death or grave bodily injury. I don't know about MO, but in WY neither would be capitol offenses unless it is first degree murder.
I don't like Concealed gun permits. Some people don't have the sense to have a gun and those are the idiots making all the problems.
I don't like may issue. It should be shall issue or not at all. Some people don't have the sense to have a badge and a gun. Statistically, they outnumber irresponsible CCW holders.
An argument says that they have to take a course and pass a test. My response is that the same is required for a driver's license. Have you driven lately? 'Nuff Said?
I drive a lot.
Personally, I own guns. I live in Missouri, in a rural area with coyotes, wild pigs and squirrels that can eat you out of house and home. I see nothing wrong with responsible gun-ownership, but that is not what the NRA is promoting. The NRA works for the gun manufacturers, not for the people. They have a vested interest in arming as many people they can, safety be damned. I wish they were as protective of the 4th amendment.
I don't know if either side "works for the people" but I do know that the NRA etc. have greater grassroots and have the support of more of the people than the gun control groups. All of the gun control groups are pure astro turf made up of the economic and political elite. All of their funding comes from a couple of billionaires like Bloomberg and corporate foundations like Joyce Foundation. MDA are the president and employees of VoxPop Public Relations LLC. I have no idea what the NRA's stance on the 4th Amendment, but I'm sure it is better than Feinstien's stance on the first and fourth amendments.
BTW, while the folks at MSNBC correctly point out that John Bush signed the SYG law, they forgot to tell you that it passed with large bi partisan majorities that was veto proof.
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