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marjan

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Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:54 AM

Jun 2015

I AM NEW MEMBER ....AND I AM MUSLIM...BUT I THINK THAT EVERYBODY HAS SO MANY FRAMEWORK FOR HIMSELF AND ONE OF THEM IS RELIGION...ALL OF THEM HELP PEOPLE TO BE A BETTER MAN OR WOMAN ...BUT EVERY OF THEM WITHOUT THE OTHERS....ARE NOT USEFUL...
IN MY RELIGION THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT LIMITATIONS ESPECIALLY FOR WOMAN ....BUT MOST OF THEM REALLY DO NOT HELP PEOPLE TO BE A GOOD PERSON...AND JUST A LIMITED NUMBER OF THEM ARE RELIABLE AND FUNCTIONAL

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Does your religion make you a better person than you would otherwise be without it? n/t [View all] Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 OP

Am I a person with a faith, or a faith inhabiting a person? guillaumeb Jun 2015 #1

So you are unable to answer the question? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #3

Are you unable to understand my answer? guillaumeb Jun 2015 #7

Are you unable to understand the question? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #9

Almost like a tennis match. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #13

I think one can know. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #15

Here is a definition: guillaumeb Jun 2015 #18

Using the first definition... cleanhippie Jun 2015 #46

A rational and reasonable response. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #49

Which brings us back to the original question. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #50

My faith gives me an example to follow. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #59

I would imagine that's a selective reading of Jesus, he's not a nice example to follow... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #63

His words versus the words of some of his followers? guillaumeb Jun 2015 #106

But does your religion make you a better person than you would otherwise be without it? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #64

You know you've struck gold skepticscott Jun 2015 #69

I give credit to guillaumeb for an honest and civil exchange so far. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #85

Does your claimed lack of faith make you a better person than you would be guillaumeb Jun 2015 #107

Why the deflection? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #123

So, you go around cursing unproductive foliage? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #82

I do not understand your response. eom guillaumeb Jun 2015 #108

I thought you knew about the life and philosophy of jesus? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #109

Are you referring to the story of the mustard seed? eom guillaumeb Jun 2015 #110

No. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #111

You have misread Mathew, and the point of the story. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #112

Jesus could not have driven the money changers from the Temple. Yorktown Jun 2015 #113

Splitting of hairs. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #115

Not splitting any hairs, pointing out an impossibility Yorktown Jun 2015 #117

And your basis for asserting how many money changers there were? guillaumeb Jun 2015 #118

Just picture a shopping alley in an open air market Yorktown Jun 2015 #119

The fruit tree has a natural cycle of production. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #114

I repeat myself, at the risk of seeming crude: guillaumeb Jun 2015 #116

Anyway, the NT fig tree stories contradict themselves Yorktown Jun 2015 #120

Your repetition does not improve the story. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #122

Why ask a question with an obvious answer? Cartoonist Jun 2015 #2

I would argue that no they wouldn't, plenty of people are well aware that their religion... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #57

I'm an atheist so this question doesn't apply to me directly, but I will report that my Nay Jun 2015 #83

I think this fear is instilled in them due to their religion... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #86

I got the impression that he was very afraid of what he might do if he wasn't Nay Jun 2015 #90

I'm just wondering if that fear is his own conscience, a true sociopath wouldn't care about others.. Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #96

I Am Not Religious - I Am What I Am cantbeserious Jun 2015 #4

Do you have a corncob pipe and a craving for spinach? AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #99

Fancy That - I Do cantbeserious Jun 2015 #100

I believe the answer to this involves experience, ethics and morality. tymorial Jun 2015 #5

I think my experiences with religion, positive and negative, have made me a fuller person. pinto Jun 2015 #6

Absolutely Zamen Jun 2015 #8

How? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #10

It gives me a reason to show more restraint Zamen Jun 2015 #11

Restraint from what? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #12

Being able to do what I want Zamen Jun 2015 #14

You don't think that you already do just that? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #16

Well of course Zamen Jun 2015 #19

"it was only my religion and morality that stopped me from doing it." cleanhippie Jun 2015 #21

My morality came from religion Zamen Jun 2015 #22

What morality do you get from your religion? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #23

Only by people who choose to misinterpret the lessons for their own benefit Zamen Jun 2015 #26

Only by people who choose to misinterpret the lessons for their own benefit? cleanhippie Jun 2015 #38

I either use my interpretation, or we admit that there's no such thing as morality Zamen Jun 2015 #41

I fail to understand how if we don't use YOUR interpretaion, there is no morality. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #44

So you follow biblical law to the letter? No exceptions? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #27

I'm not a Christian, strictly speaking Zamen Jun 2015 #35

substitute "biblical" for whatever religion you are. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #36

Not always, but I try my best Zamen Jun 2015 #39

So you get your morality from Yahweh, who slaughtered innocents Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #33

That's NOT morality phil89 Jun 2015 #93

well I think his claim is that we are all amoral and it is only fear o god that keeps us in line. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #105

Ahhh... gcomeau Jun 2015 #135

So you want to do evil Cartoonist Jun 2015 #17

How can you even define "evil" if you're an atheist? Zamen Jun 2015 #20

God is not needed Cartoonist Jun 2015 #24

But then what is the health and well being of humanity? Zamen Jun 2015 #28

Positive and Negative Cartoonist Jun 2015 #45

Different people around the world will have different opinions Zamen Jun 2015 #48

How does God untangle "this mess"? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #51

By being an objective source of morality Zamen Jun 2015 #53

Can you give an example of this "objective morality"? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #54

That's where you're wrong Cartoonist Jun 2015 #55

How so? Zamen Jun 2015 #56

Not necessarily, the strength of a type of utilitarian argument is rather strong... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #60

Good and evil are totally subjective. Period. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #87

And how does it magically become objective skepticscott Jun 2015 #70

God is the only being with the authority to define it Zamen Jun 2015 #72

So give us some specific examples skepticscott Jun 2015 #74

More to the point Zamen Jun 2015 #76

So in other words, you can't justify skepticscott Jun 2015 #78

Can you justify your ethical beliefs? Zamen Jun 2015 #80

Yes, I will make some assumptions, first, all humans are alike in our emotional and physical makeup. Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #84

Why would I feel the need to? You made the claim skepticscott Jun 2015 #101

It's a Poe. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #92

And it looks like we'll see them skepticscott Jun 2015 #127

I don't know whether to feel humbled or bummed. Iggo Jun 2015 #137

" it's critical that we preserve it" - 'cause otherwise we might stop burning witches. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #104

Look up consequentialism phil89 Jun 2015 #94

So how does that apply to you? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #25

I've been in many situtations where I knew I could have done something Zamen Jun 2015 #29

And you didn't do this thing because it was a sin according to your gods? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #31

That's right Zamen Jun 2015 #32

And you have never done anything that is a sin according to your gods? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #37

Of course, but there's also forgiveness Zamen Jun 2015 #40

So there is forgiveness but somehow religion is the only barrier to your immorality. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #66

Would you prefer it if I had no morality at all? Zamen Jun 2015 #71

Why would you have no morality? n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #81

Why would that be necessary? Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #65

For many people, it's just a lack of opportunity Zamen Jun 2015 #68

A small minority of people are sociopaths, lacking empathy, and would concede that... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #73

That's why I don't understand atheists trying to destroy the only thing Zamen Jun 2015 #75

Its not the only thing, indeed its probably the least effective thing, from what I can tell... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #77

HA, we've got us a Poe. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #89

Poe! cleanhippie Jun 2015 #88

Most sociopaths live healthy productive lives Lordquinton Jun 2015 #125

You do bring up a good point, and, as far as crime syndicates go, religion is one of the ways... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #129

What makes us "better persons" are compassion and empathy. Big Blue Marble Jun 2015 #30

It does for me DeadEyeDyck Jun 2015 #34

I would agree with you on that being offensive... cleanhippie Jun 2015 #47

Why is it offensive? I have to justify my beliefs all the time... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #52

You don't have to justify your faith to anyone. Mariana Jun 2015 #61

I used to be a Christian long ago newfie11 Jun 2015 #42

Probably. Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #43

For the many religious people I know, their religion is what makes them the people they are. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #58

This is a chicken or egg thing I think, because, for example, I'm a Secular Humanist... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #62

And you incorporated those things in your life, no matter the source. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #103

I think i would be the same uf i was an unbeliever. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #67

Whew. Thats good to know. cleanhippie Jun 2015 #95

My life. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #97

The Church of the SubGenius? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #79

Absolutely Not AC_Mem Jun 2015 #91

Like any human capacity religion can be both good and bad. Just like governance, applegrove Jun 2015 #98

Being involved in the UU community has made me a better person CanonRay Jun 2015 #102

Do circular, personal semantic arguments make one a better person? pinto Jun 2015 #121

Yep! goldent Jun 2015 #124

Yes. Practicing my faith keeps me mindful of the needs Ilsa Jun 2015 #126

And this is how we act on it: Ilsa Jun 2015 #128

NO marjan Jun 2015 #130

Welcome to DU. DU also has some limitations. Typing in all caps is discouraged for example. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #131

Welcome to DU! gopiscrap Jun 2015 #134

Does your humanism make you a better person that you would otherwise be without it? cbayer Jun 2015 #132

Considering that poeple frequently say their religion makes them better people... cleanhippie Jun 2015 #133

Being "better" or "worse" due to beliefs are legitimate questions. Yorktown Jun 2015 #136

"not legitimate questions"? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #139

I'm asking for personal impressions, not objective truths. Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #140

It would be hard to obtain an objective truth in terms of your question, wouldn't it? cbayer Jun 2015 #141

True, what I was wondering is how many people lean on their religious beliefs to justify their... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #142

I suppose there are people like that and I have heard them described cbayer Jun 2015 #143

Well, one of the posters in this thread, for one, I even argued I didn't think he was sociopathic... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #144

I'm not sure who you are talking about, but if he got tombstoned cbayer Jun 2015 #145

I was taught, more or less, the same as you, I'm talking about hoother people describe themselves... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #146

Ah, evangelizers. cbayer Jun 2015 #147

It was funny, in this particular case, I think I was responding to transgender issues on the... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #148

I think so much of this is circular. cbayer Jun 2015 #149

I think the philosophies, the religions, the politics, the education, and the beliefs I carry LanternWaste Jun 2015 #138

No, I would still be the same person Marrah_G Jun 2015 #150

having been brought up religious and since aboandoning religion rurallib Jun 2015 #151

Yes. It guides a lot of who I am, including my progressive political views. (nt) UrbScotty Aug 2015 #152

No Marrah_G Aug 2015 #153