2016 Postmortem

Dem2

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108. I like Bernie and Hillary both

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:26 PM

Mar 2016

Last edited Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:59 PM - Edit history (1)

I won't attack either as nobody here doesn't know the weaknesses of either candidate. To assume anybody here is naive is an insult to my intelligence and most others here who are political junkies.

I won't do it.

This new standard for corruption is a goal that I'm 100% behind. But it's also extremely arrogant to suddenly expect Hillary to meet a new standard in funding, thus handing an extreme advantage to her opponent. Hillary didn't make it this far being that gullible. To then see many here use the 25 years in the making Republican attacks against her is beyond the pale.

To then say you won't vote for who's likely going to be the Democratic nominee based on some freshly created purity test and, well, you've completely lost me.

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I've decided I'm done disparaging Bernie's campaign [View all] Godhumor Mar 2016 OP

Hopefully discussions on both sides of the Demo fence can start turning in this direction.... villager Mar 2016 #1

I don't see much hope. The Party has split with those that side with the ruling Oligarchy rhett o rick Mar 2016 #10

I have to say I agree with you passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #40

I've asked why Democrats support a candidate that is obviously controlled by Big Money and rhett o rick Mar 2016 #44

Perhaps it is because ALL other political candidates, pangaia Mar 2016 #50

I think they revere those with money. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #59

That certainly is true. pangaia Mar 2016 #64

My local State Representative (R) gets donations Downwinder Mar 2016 #73

You mean Democratic. navarth Mar 2016 #112

I think... Plucketeer Mar 2016 #66

anyone who watched msnbc last night could easily see that. Their facial expressions told the litlbilly Mar 2016 #54

Money is the bottom line, true. anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #144

What exactly does "no more sit down and shut up for us" mean if Hillary is the nominee? Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #78

Means many of us Democrats will vote for all the Democrats on our ballots but not JDPriestly Mar 2016 #84

Very interesting article and sammythecat Mar 2016 #114

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #121

As I Watched Last Night Debate gordyfl Mar 2016 #132

100% with what you just stated. Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #125

Maybe it means that many Dems DocMac Mar 2016 #87

We continue to fight on. Work on progressive congress-critters. Work on getting Sen Warren rhett o rick Mar 2016 #90

Oh hell, some of us have been doing that since the 60's. I thought you were implying something Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #91

A vote for Clinton is a vote for the status quo. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #111

There you go again Rhett. Nitram Mar 2016 #135

Been there done that. I have posted many, many OPs on issues only to get derision from rhett o rick Mar 2016 #145

I have a naive hope anothergreenbus Mar 2016 #143

They failed us in 2000 and are doing the same in 2016. You seem to assume that rhett o rick Mar 2016 #146

both factions don't want the party to mean something, stand for something, and have characteristics MisterP Mar 2016 #22

One wonders if America, over the next 10 or so years, will be getting new parties? villager Mar 2016 #24

I see abundant nihilism on the part of the Democrats as well. Maedhros Mar 2016 #28

We've already reached the empire stage. Volaris Mar 2016 #124

Thank you for providing an example. [n/t] Maedhros Mar 2016 #148

Not sure I understand. If sarcasm and I'm missing it Volaris Mar 2016 #149

I have a friend that says that exact thing: "we can only try to slow the collapse" Maedhros Mar 2016 #150

Good luck with that. tazkcmo Mar 2016 #127

Correct marions ghost Mar 2016 #130

You couldn't have been that bad corkhead Mar 2016 #2

Ditto. I must be close to a hundred. nt VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #139

Thanks man. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #3

Thank you for that. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #4

Well I am going to be working with Hillary supporters Kalidurga Mar 2016 #5

I for one, appreciate what you said here. Blus4u Mar 2016 #6

Your brains and honesty make you a standout among DU Hillary supporters. Vattel Mar 2016 #7

That's ok, it's probably still better than being an over paranoid giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #134

Great post. TTUBatfan2008 Mar 2016 #8

He will win! JDPriestly Mar 2016 #86

Yep, it occurred to me that Texas is still firmly entrenched red. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #142

Yes, deep thinking, then take a breath, then do what your heart wants you to do - support BERNIE! highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #9

I've never said a bad word about Bernie or his one_voice Mar 2016 #11

Yup vdogg Mar 2016 #92

You can't complain about there never being a common ground when you EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2016 #113

... bunnies Mar 2016 #12

You touch something that is my main fear if Clinton wins jeff47 Mar 2016 #13

This part of his OP and your thoughts were in my mind artislife Mar 2016 #18

If Hillary wins, they'll treat voter discontent as irrelevant; Marr Mar 2016 #46

That's how I see it marions ghost Mar 2016 #129

The Party leadership is owned lock, stock and barrel by the Oligarchy and won't re-thinking anything rhett o rick Mar 2016 #49

Welcome to the dark side mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #14

I think he's been close for most of the campaign, but really hit the vein with a focus on jobs/trade DemocraticWing Mar 2016 #15

Nice Post..! KoKo Mar 2016 #16

i have always thought your posts were respectful and reasonable. Punkingal Mar 2016 #17

Great to hear! pat_k Mar 2016 #19

Thank you. Awesome post. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #20

Thanks for sharing your views, it's much appreciated. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #21

Very nice. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2016 #23

I just hope that IF Hillary wins the nomination truebluegreen Mar 2016 #25

See, now if posts from ignored DUers didn't show up in "Trending Now"... Flying Squirrel Mar 2016 #26

I really, REALLY don't. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #140

Thank you for saying this. MuseRider Mar 2016 #27

Its funny jcgoldie Mar 2016 #29

a lot of deep thinking it needs to do when the primaries finish up. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #30

bravo gh, best op from you ever:) litlbilly Mar 2016 #31

and it deserves your name being removed from my ignore list litlbilly Mar 2016 #33

I have always like Sanders and many of his positions Gothmog Mar 2016 #32

Exactly where I am. But I am very impressed with the MI win n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #37

you are absolutely correct ibegurpard Mar 2016 #34

That's a good response. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #35

Good OP! Thanks much for that. n/t bvf Mar 2016 #36

Excellent post, very thoughtful and thought provoking. bvar22 Mar 2016 #38

You know, you can always feel the bern; you don't have to just watch the bern. valerief Mar 2016 #39

I'll happily vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination, but Godhumor Mar 2016 #41

Oh, well, I tried! valerief Mar 2016 #42

Classy, reasonable and well put. Raster Mar 2016 #43

great op. i knew there was a reason restorefreedom Mar 2016 #45

Why are they disparaging him in the first place Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #47

Don't ask. Just accept the good gesture.. there is more than you think... fun n serious Mar 2016 #53

Be careful, you'll get blocked from the HRC group for talk like that. hootinholler Mar 2016 #48

I don't think that's true.. fun n serious Mar 2016 #55

I think they're being facetious, at least I hope so Godhumor Mar 2016 #56

? I will vote for Bernie fun n serious Mar 2016 #57

You won't be blocked. We don't work that way...nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #58

Could you unblock me from the Sanders group? joshcryer Mar 2016 #80

I don't believe in blocking people. I don't believe in the private groups. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #102

Excellent post Dem2 Mar 2016 #51

It isn't about rivalry. It is about honest government. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #103

I like Bernie and Hillary both Dem2 Mar 2016 #108

I've always respected Bernie. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #52

This is a really nice post. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #60

Thank you, Godhumor. nt Duval Mar 2016 #61

"There is no longer any reason to treat him like a fringe candidate or an anomaly" ConsiderThis_2016 Mar 2016 #62

It's easy to think Clinton would win the convention cycle, but she's not going to WhiteHat Mar 2016 #63

You're a good Democrat. zentrum Mar 2016 #65

Nebraska hibbing Mar 2016 #67

Thank you for this very thoughtful post. K&R myrna minx Mar 2016 #68

"The Elite leadership of the Democratic Party has been co-opted by the Oligarchy" .. so much for Recoverin_Republican Mar 2016 #69

Huge K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #70

As though Bernie supporters need your blessing silenttigersong Mar 2016 #71

I don't think that is what the OP was doing... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #74

Not at all my point and certainly not a blessing n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #96

Bernie is a real Progressive with good ideas lunatica Mar 2016 #72

"So, good for Bernie. He has made waves this primary season." Jopin Klobe Mar 2016 #75

Thank you angrychair Mar 2016 #76

That's the essence of Sanders' campaign, right there. Orsino Mar 2016 #77

Thank you but... noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #79

It took time to prove it, in my opinion Godhumor Mar 2016 #95

Good for Bernie. It's Hillary's corruption that is the problem. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #81

I care deeply about what happens to this country BuddhaGirl Mar 2016 #89

I'm in California. If Hillary gets the nomination (God forbid because she is weak on the JDPriestly Mar 2016 #94

Wow! rosesaylavee Mar 2016 #82

Hear hear alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #83

3 cheers for this voice of reason and civility! slumcamper Mar 2016 #85

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #88

K&R mate. I made the same decision in January. Amimnoch Mar 2016 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #97

I'm sorry you don't realize how much better off we all are for having had Barack Obama as president. StevieM Mar 2016 #100

You survived an alert 1-6 Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2016 #104

Yes flamingdem Mar 2016 #98

While I respect this poster's right to his opinion, I disagree with his OP in the strongest terms. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #99

Who are you. Some kind of troll for the GOP? You are deeply naive and ignorant. YOHABLO Mar 2016 #101

I wrote a respectful post. Sorry to see that you could not find it within yourself to respond Trust Buster Mar 2016 #106

Respectful? Fronkonsteen Mar 2016 #141

Many of us are done providing welfare for the MIC and tax dodging, economy wrecking corporations nc4bo Mar 2016 #133

And let's not forget the media blackout Lorien Mar 2016 #105

bernie campaign next phase: WELCOME/CONVINCE SOFT-HILLARY VOTERS! veronique25 Mar 2016 #107

I have a lot of respect for you for writing this. seattleite Mar 2016 #109

I appreciate what you said about Bernie senz Mar 2016 #110

This is much appreciated. This is the thing about Bernie, it's not about him, cui bono Mar 2016 #115

K&R cyberswede Mar 2016 #116

He talks a good line but all that glitters isn't gold. nt ucrdem Mar 2016 #117

My view is similar to yours. I think both Sanders and Clinton lovemydog Mar 2016 #118

This Revolt Has Been Building For Years - The DWS, DNC, DLC, Third-Way Has Only Themselves To Blame cantbeserious Mar 2016 #119

Short-sighted Hillary and Dem Party jpb33 Mar 2016 #120

True, the party itself has become very arogant AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #123

Thank you for that. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #122

I can't speak for everyone deacon_sephiroth Mar 2016 #126

Indeed. He is a once in a lifetime candidate. coyote Mar 2016 #137

I hope you also concluded that for Trump nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #128

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mahatma Gandhi Javaman Mar 2016 #131

Bernie has become the soul of the Democratic party. avaistheone1 Mar 2016 #136

Well done. This is important. 21st Century Poet Mar 2016 #138

+1 deutsey Mar 2016 #147