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LonePirate

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4. It is resentment. You hate someone getting something for free that you paid for.

Thu Jan 30, 2020, 10:20 AM

Jan 2020

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That is all it boils down to here. Opening up education to everyone is a Democratic and progressive goal everyone here at DU should be supporting. These selfish responses about how person X paid their way so everyone else should paid their way are sickening to me. We all benefit from a more educated society. I paid off my loans with no assistance from my parents or anyone else. I fully support plans from Warren or Sanders or anyone else who want to tackle the student debt problem and make tuition free at public colleges and universities.

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The reverse class resentment on student debt/free college is disturbing. [View all] DanTex Jan 2020 OP

It's not really resentment but fairness OKNancy Jan 2020 #1

It is resentment. You hate someone getting something for free that you paid for. LonePirate Jan 2020 #4

Hey and maybe it is. Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #16

Yes, but that doesn't make it any less valid Amishman Jan 2020 #17

No wonder this country is so fucked up with all of this selfishness and bitterness. LonePirate Jan 2020 #27

Would it not have improved your life to not have had that debt? DanTex Jan 2020 #7

Sure it would. I think there should be something done OKNancy Jan 2020 #22

Didn't their life squirecam Jan 2020 #24

Prepare for fewer docs Tweedy Jan 2020 #64

Lawyers squirecam Jan 2020 #65

Good for you Tweedy Jan 2020 #66

You asked squirecam Jan 2020 #67

So student beware Tweedy Jan 2020 #68

Anyone going to law school is an adult squirecam Jan 2020 #69

Student beware Tweedy Jan 2020 #90

Similar situation, but don't have a problem with forgiveness or free tuition bigbrother05 Jan 2020 #15

No, it's selfishness. Magoo48 Jan 2020 #21

That's a great response. Thank you. LonePirate Jan 2020 #34

Exactly Lokee11 Jan 2020 #55

A blanket apology to those on this thread. Magoo48 Feb 2020 #91

Nice argument. We have to get out of this 'it's not fair' thing. PatrickforO Jan 2020 #2

Not SS Widows and orphans judeling Jan 2020 #5

OK it wasn't a great analogy. But my point still stands. PatrickforO Jan 2020 #59

Does Vermont have free college? R B Garr Jan 2020 #3

You do know that Bernie Sanders is not the King of Vermont, right? Perseus Jan 2020 #13

So if he can't get his Revolution ideations implemented in his own state, R B Garr Jan 2020 #20

Vermont tried universal care squirecam Jan 2020 #25

We have learned these past three years that the presidency DOES hold more power Perseus Jan 2020 #57

I realize you are just trying to deflect: What about Obama, What about Biden, but it's Bernie's R B Garr Jan 2020 #60

Not to mention that getting a debt-free education benefits democracy. Reader Rabbit Jan 2020 #6

Yes, that too. Great point. DanTex Jan 2020 #9

This is actually the MOST IMPORTANT point of all. PandoraAwakened Jan 2020 #58

It's a tough old world when people's opinions don't line up with yours. LanternWaste Jan 2020 #8

Oh, I'm used to that. I used to live in Texas. DanTex Jan 2020 #11

Excellent post Perseus Jan 2020 #10

It isn't class resentment. It's a pragmatic view of very regressive proposals. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #12

Like I said, the regressiveness argument is effectively bullshit. DanTex Jan 2020 #14

You're making a silly argument. For SS to be as regressive it would have to give hundreds of times highplainsdem Jan 2020 #19

Of course it's a silly argument, just like the silly argument that debt relief is regressive. DanTex Jan 2020 #28

You can help the people who really need help without providing a financial windfalll of up to highplainsdem Jan 2020 #35

Or you can make a program universal, like Social Security (or high school), and that DanTex Jan 2020 #41

I paid to put my daughter through college quaker bill Jan 2020 #18

That is a wonderful reply. Thank you for posting it. LonePirate Jan 2020 #36

if the whole point is just to goose the economy, then go w yang. mopinko Jan 2020 #23

Do you support Warren? Because she's in favor of this. DanTex Jan 2020 #29

your concern is duly noted. mopinko Jan 2020 #32

Not a concern, just a question. I like Warren, because she's for things like this. DanTex Jan 2020 #33

There's a third stance that you ignore Midnightwalk Jan 2020 #26

I'm in favor of helping with student debt when the help is needed. I've posted about Biden's highplainsdem Jan 2020 #37

Yes, but also entirely predictable. redqueen Jan 2020 #30

It is still a divisive issue and it is tone deaf to not realize it NCProgressive Jan 2020 #31

+1,000,000 -- especially your third point. highplainsdem Jan 2020 #38

Your second item should be included in all of these debt forgiveness/paid college plans. LonePirate Jan 2020 #39

What about #1 squirecam Jan 2020 #70

Polls show majority support for both policies. No more "divisive" than anything else the GOP hates. DanTex Jan 2020 #40

More window dressing NCProgressive Jan 2020 #50

"Even if you get Ds and spend all your time smoking weed" mr_lebowski Jan 2020 #53

So we reward squirecam Jan 2020 #71

If you treat education as a luxury good that confers status DBoon Jan 2020 #42

I don't think it disturbing, I think it predictable bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #43

Colleges have mismanaged all this largesse bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #44

I don't get it loyalsister Jan 2020 #45

RANT: Our a$$hole government and student loans infullview Jan 2020 #46

I agree with you as I disagree with you bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #48

I don't necessarily agree. infullview Jan 2020 #52

Agree 100% Squidly Jan 2020 #72

Agree completely. cilla4progress Jan 2020 #47

Great post! One exception to your last paragraph... Fiendish Thingy Jan 2020 #49

Thanks for this. My parents didn't pay for my university education. I did, through loans. a la izquierda Jan 2020 #51

My wife's and my school debts are paid PurgedVoter Jan 2020 #54

+1 BuddhaGirl Jan 2020 #61

Seems like a pointless discussion to me. Mosby Jan 2020 #56

Not pointless, relevant. infullview Jan 2020 #62

Professors like Warren's hubby making $400K is one reason college is so expensive redstateblues Jan 2020 #80

True! Tweedy Jan 2020 #63

Sorry, it's just regressive Recursion Jan 2020 #73

The regressive argument is truly specious. People have pointed it out, and I haven't seen a response DanTex Jan 2020 #74

The claim it is specious is specious Recursion Jan 2020 #75

Now you're arguing based on a *single hypothetical example*. DanTex Jan 2020 #76

Data... you mean like "a chunk?" ehrnst Jan 2020 #77

Since nobody's proposed a dedicated revenue stream, there is no "the data" to look at Recursion Jan 2020 #82

Like I said, even it it were flat-tax funded it would still be progressive. DanTex Jan 2020 #83

Combine it with a cash bonus to people who did not go to college and I'm in Recursion Jan 2020 #88

Fair enough. That's a UBI-ish argument against targeted programs and for straight DanTex Jan 2020 #89

So the problem is really millionaires who own multiple homes... lapucelle Jan 2020 #78

Umm what? They're not a problem. They just can afford to pay higher taxes DanTex Jan 2020 #79

Ummm what...what? Millionaires with multiple homes are the problem lapucelle Jan 2020 #81

Oh brother! NurseJackie Jan 2020 #84

Yes, shed a tear for people swamped in debt. DanTex Jan 2020 #85

Oh good god! GMAFB! NurseJackie Jan 2020 #86

So let me ask you a straight question - Should a person earning almost $200K per year.... George II Jan 2020 #87

Excellent question JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #92

Bitching about "resentment" Codeine Feb 2020 #93